Comments on: Harold Camping proclaims the Lord’s return will be in May 21, 2011 http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:09:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: indywatchman http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-962 indywatchman Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:56:36 +0000 http://www.indywatchman.com/?p=579#comment-962 Carlos, I apologize if what you say is the case. I was taking into consideration our past communications. I am pleased that you are no longer part of this Satanic scheme to cheat men out of their salvation. Be careful though that you do not get re-entangled in this web by some clever argument. Your best defense is in the safety of the truth. Read your Bible, and pray that the Holy Spirit would reveal to you your real heart of sin; discover the Love of God, and allow that love to drive you to your knees in repentance; then spend the rest of your days on earth digging out the roots that cause men to defect from God's gracious provision in His Son. As far as Harold Camping goes, his kind are here to stay, they are both a curse of sin, and a test of obedience. By all means rescue those who come to you, but be careful. Many just want confirmation and have no intention of repentance. They may even see you as one who has fallen away and try to convert you; don't fall for it; don't let them get a foothold; do not let them into your house, do not eat a meal with them, and do not wish them Godspeed; shut the door and be done with them and it. Again, I apologize for misreading you, God bless, Steve Blackwell Carlos,

I apologize if what you say is the case. I was taking into consideration our past communications. I am pleased that you are no longer part of this Satanic scheme to cheat men out of their salvation. Be careful though that you do not get re-entangled in this web by some clever argument. Your best defense is in the safety of the truth. Read your Bible, and pray that the Holy Spirit would reveal to you your real heart of sin; discover the Love of God, and allow that love to drive you to your knees in repentance; then spend the rest of your days on earth digging out the roots that cause men to defect from God’s gracious provision in His Son.

As far as Harold Camping goes, his kind are here to stay, they are both a curse of sin, and a test of obedience. By all means rescue those who come to you, but be careful. Many just want confirmation and have no intention of repentance. They may even see you as one who has fallen away and try to convert you; don’t fall for it; don’t let them get a foothold; do not let them into your house, do not eat a meal with them, and do not wish them Godspeed; shut the door and be done with them and it.

Again, I apologize for misreading you,

God bless,

Steve Blackwell

]]> By: LC http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-960 LC Fri, 10 Dec 2010 01:46:32 +0000 http://www.indywatchman.com/?p=579#comment-960 Thanks Steve. I think you misinterpreted my intention. My intention was to expose this guy as the charlatan that he truly is. I most certainly AM NOT straddling the fence as I do not for a moment believe what this guy teaches (not even slightly). My real concern is that he is potentially destroying peoples lives. I heard that he told a young boy that he should not be going to school right now and he should instead be passing out tracks. This is very hurtful. I felt that someone should do something to expose this guy. However, I agree with you that there is too much time and energy being spent on this guy and I will heed your advice to leave it alone. I just wish there was some way to censure him. Thanks Steve. I think you misinterpreted my intention. My intention was to expose this guy as the charlatan that he truly is. I most certainly AM NOT straddling the fence as I do not for a moment believe what this guy teaches (not even slightly). My real concern is that he is potentially destroying peoples lives. I heard that he told a young boy that he should not be going to school right now and he should instead be passing out tracks. This is very hurtful. I felt that someone should do something to expose this guy. However, I agree with you that there is too much time and energy being spent on this guy and I will heed your advice to leave it alone. I just wish there was some way to censure him.

]]> By: indywatchman http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-959 indywatchman Thu, 09 Dec 2010 23:23:03 +0000 http://www.indywatchman.com/?p=579#comment-959 Carlos, Yes, I will agree, you are confused. Why do you keep messing around with this guy. I have given good and sufficient Biblical evidence to run from this man and his teaching, yet you persist in your sin. I suspect that you are really a follower of his and want to believe that what he is saying id the truth, even in the face of God's truth, that this man is a charlatan. I will not get drawn into an argument about the security of the believer. What I will say is that there are numerous verses on both sides of the issue and that I have never heard a conclusive conclusion. My position is that my salvation is very secure in the hands of the Almighty, but I will live as if there is the risk of great loss. The real problem here is not Harold Camping, it is you. You are straddling the fence; you want Harold to be right, and he is persuasive and many follow him, but your mind is unsettled and you do not want to risk too much, by breaking off your love affair and be left behind when all your friends are swept away in May. You know what the Bible says, yet you will not believe it and continue to follow this pied piper, although at, what you think is, a safe distance. I am afraid that you will not please the Lord with your decision, because when a man knows to do right but doesn't do it, to him it is sin. I do want you to continue to come to my blog, but you have to get past this heresy and presumption, it is very dangerous. Believe the Bible; Harold is a fraud; do not share in his sin. The ground, even now, is shaking under his feet. Remember Korah, he presumed too much and perished, along with 250 of his followers. Read the story, it applies here; Numbers 16. Steve Blackwell Carlos,

Yes, I will agree, you are confused. Why do you keep messing around with this guy. I have given good and sufficient Biblical evidence to run from this man and his teaching, yet you persist in your sin. I suspect that you are really a follower of his and want to believe that what he is saying id the truth, even in the face of God’s truth, that this man is a charlatan.

I will not get drawn into an argument about the security of the believer. What I will say is that there are numerous verses on both sides of the issue and that I have never heard a conclusive conclusion. My position is that my salvation is very secure in the hands of the Almighty, but I will live as if there is the risk of great loss.

The real problem here is not Harold Camping, it is you. You are straddling the fence; you want Harold to be right, and he is persuasive and many follow him, but your mind is unsettled and you do not want to risk too much, by breaking off your love affair and be left behind when all your friends are swept away in May. You know what the Bible says, yet you will not believe it and continue to follow this pied piper, although at, what you think is, a safe distance. I am afraid that you will not please the Lord with your decision, because when a man knows to do right but doesn’t do it, to him it is sin.

I do want you to continue to come to my blog, but you have to get past this heresy and presumption, it is very dangerous. Believe the Bible; Harold is a fraud; do not share in his sin. The ground, even now, is shaking under his feet. Remember Korah, he presumed too much and perished, along with 250 of his followers. Read the story, it applies here; Numbers 16.

Steve Blackwell

]]> By: LC http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-958 LC Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:25:02 +0000 http://www.indywatchman.com/?p=579#comment-958 Carlos, Excuse me, but I’m confused and need to ask a very important question. Harold proclaims that he discovered the date for judgment and he is now warning the world. Admirable, but it confuses me as to what he is warning the world against in light of his doctrine that we cannot do anything at all to be saved. It seems that the two are diametrically opposed to each another. Is this an oxymoron? If I can do absolutely nothing to become saved, including begging for mercy and forgiveness (this is a work that we do according to Harold), what could possibly be the purpose of a warning? Please help me to understand. Carlos,
Excuse me, but I’m confused and need to ask a very important question. Harold proclaims that he discovered the date for judgment and he is now warning the world. Admirable, but it confuses me as to what he is warning the world against in light of his doctrine that we cannot do anything at all to be saved. It seems that the two are diametrically opposed to each another. Is this an oxymoron?
If I can do absolutely nothing to become saved, including begging for mercy and forgiveness (this is a work that we do according to Harold), what could possibly be the purpose of a warning? Please help me to understand.

]]> By: Wayne http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-898 Wayne Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:26:21 +0000 http://www.indywatchman.com/?p=579#comment-898 Hi Steve, You make a lot of sense in your writings. Unfortunately many people just want to be in a comfort zone.  They want to hear soothing sermons and things  to make them feel  good. Many people do not want to study the Bible for themselves to see what God says, and when someone like Harold Camping comes along quoting the Bible,  many believe that he is a man of God and speaking for God. However, when you listen carefully to his message  you realize that his teachings are not at all Biblical. Remember when Christ was tempted by Satan in the wilderness, Satan quoted  the scriptures but if you look carefully at Satan's quotes, the quotes were not accurate to the scriptures. The Bible says in Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Please note the scripture does not say "there is some light in them", the scripture says "there is no light in them." It does not matter that Mr. Camping has been studying the Bible for forty or fifty years, that he is sincere and does not ask for money over the air and the publications are free, all it means is that he has been sincerely wrong for forty or fifty years. Thanks. Wayne. Hi Steve,
You make a lot of sense in your writings. Unfortunately many people just want to be in a comfort zone.  They want to hear soothing sermons and things  to make them feel  good. Many people do not want to study the Bible for themselves to see what God says, and when someone like Harold Camping comes along quoting the Bible,  many believe that he is a man of God and speaking for God. However, when you listen carefully to his message  you realize that his teachings are not at all Biblical. Remember when Christ was tempted by Satan in the wilderness, Satan quoted  the scriptures but if you look carefully at Satan's quotes, the quotes were not accurate to the scriptures. The Bible says in Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
Please note the scripture does not say "there is some light in them", the scripture says "there is no light in them."
It does not matter that Mr. Camping has been studying the Bible for forty or fifty years, that he is sincere and does not ask for money over the air and the publications are free, all it means is that he has been sincerely wrong for forty or fifty years.
Thanks.
Wayne.

]]> By: indywatchman http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-878 indywatchman Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:12:05 +0000 http://www.indywatchman.com/?p=579#comment-878 Carlos, I am surprised that you are still frequenting that house of ill repute. No offense intended friend, only reflecting that you have not gotten away from that den of deception. To answer your question, <blockquote>If you feel that you can help out, please check this site…</blockquote> What can a man say to a bunch of inebriated drunks about cleaning up their act. Maybe on May 22, 2011 I'll stop over and see if any of them are interested in picking up the pieces of their broken dreams and dashed hopes. Right now they are way to snookered to listen to truth. Carlos, I will say it again, get away from them, you don't want to be around them when the fire hits. Steve Blackwell Carlos,

I am surprised that you are still frequenting that house of ill repute. No offense intended friend, only reflecting that you have not gotten away from that den of deception. To answer your question,

If you feel that you can help out, please check this site…

What can a man say to a bunch of inebriated drunks about cleaning up their act. Maybe on May 22, 2011 I’ll stop over and see if any of them are interested in picking up the pieces of their broken dreams and dashed hopes. Right now they are way to snookered to listen to truth.

Carlos, I will say it again, get away from them, you don’t want to be around them when the fire hits.

Steve Blackwell

]]> By: carlos http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-876 carlos Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:37:50 +0000 http://www.indywatchman.com/?p=579#comment-876 hi again Steve. If you feel that you can help out, please check this site...thankyou. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TimeandJudgment_May212011/ hi again Steve. If you feel that you can help out, please check this site…thankyou.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TimeandJudgment_May212011/

]]> By: indywatchman http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-805 indywatchman Sun, 27 Jun 2010 13:36:41 +0000 http://www.indywatchman.com/?p=579#comment-805 Vince, I did not approve your comment to check out your website. People are confused enough without feeding them more poison from false teachers. There is no need to check out your site when the Bible makes clear that you are in serious error. I hope that on May 22nd 2011 you will come to your senses and repent, and not jump onto another date setting bandwagon like Harold Camping. Wake-up! and believe the Bible and stop what you are doing. You are deceiving people and will be held accountable for your ignorance. You are making God out to be a liar and causing others to follow false teaching, and they too will pay for their ignorance. Steve Blackwell Vince,

I did not approve your comment to check out your website. People are confused enough without feeding them more poison from false teachers. There is no need to check out your site when the Bible makes clear that you are in serious error.

I hope that on May 22nd 2011 you will come to your senses and repent, and not jump onto another date setting bandwagon like Harold Camping.

Wake-up! and believe the Bible and stop what you are doing. You are deceiving people and will be held accountable for your ignorance. You are making God out to be a liar and causing others to follow false teaching, and they too will pay for their ignorance.

Steve Blackwell

]]> By: indywatchman http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-794 indywatchman Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:15:52 +0000 http://www.indywatchman.com/?p=579#comment-794 Nathan, Pardon me, the word "follower" here is meant to signify someone who adheres to one or more distinguishing features of a person or teaching of a person. Harold Camping is distinguished by his false teaching and prophesying of the Lord's coming. A person who identifies their self with that person or his teaching can be rightly said to follow that person by identifying with that characteristic. I guess, technically, if you came up with this idea totally on your own then you would not be a follower of Harold Camping, but that is not likely, so you would still be considered as one of his followers, at least as far as this prominent feature that labels him and those who have bought into this false teaching. Your research means nothing, you still identify yourself with Harold Camping. What your research means is that you are in agreement with him. As far as your assumption that I go to a building that ignorant Christians call "church" is wrong. Also, I do not belong to a personality cult where supposed believers in Christ are really believers and "followers" of a man they call a "pastor," who is really nothing but the CEO, who gives a speech once or twice a week. This concept is not taught in the Bible, anywhere. Do I fellowship with others who are following Jesus? Yes! the people who follow the teaching of men, are followers of men. Steve Blackwell Nathan,

Pardon me, the word “follower” here is meant to signify someone who adheres to one or more distinguishing features of a person or teaching of a person. Harold Camping is distinguished by his false teaching and prophesying of the Lord’s coming. A person who identifies their self with that person or his teaching can be rightly said to follow that person by identifying with that characteristic. I guess, technically, if you came up with this idea totally on your own then you would not be a follower of Harold Camping, but that is not likely, so you would still be considered as one of his followers, at least as far as this prominent feature that labels him and those who have bought into this false teaching. Your research means nothing, you still identify yourself with Harold Camping. What your research means is that you are in agreement with him.

As far as your assumption that I go to a building that ignorant Christians call “church” is wrong. Also, I do not belong to a personality cult where supposed believers in Christ are really believers and “followers” of a man they call a “pastor,” who is really nothing but the CEO, who gives a speech once or twice a week. This concept is not taught in the Bible, anywhere. Do I fellowship with others who are following Jesus? Yes! the people who follow the teaching of men, are followers of men.

Steve Blackwell

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/harold-camping-proclaims-the-lords-return-will-be-in-may-21-2011/comment-page-1/#comment-792 Jonathan Sun, 20 Jun 2010 06:25:20 +0000 http://www.indywatchman.com/?p=579#comment-792 Indy, Why is it that you call everybody who agrees with Harold Camping his FOLLOWERS? Although I agree with him on may 21, 2011, there are plenty of other things i disagree with him on, one being his teaching that king Solomon was not saved. To me, the definition of a follower in a religious context is a person who blindly believes in a teaching without doing his own reasearch on the subject and on the person. I will assume that you go to a good church and have a good pastor. Would it be correct of me to call you his follower simply because you believe most of his teachings on the bible are true? Indy,

Why is it that you call everybody who agrees with Harold Camping his FOLLOWERS? Although I agree with him on may 21, 2011, there are plenty of other things i disagree with him on, one being his teaching that king Solomon was not saved. To me, the definition of a follower in a religious context is a person who blindly believes in a teaching without doing his own reasearch on the subject and on the person. I will assume that you go to a good church and have a good pastor. Would it be correct of me to call you his follower simply because you believe most of his teachings on the bible are true?

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