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		<description><![CDATA[What the common Protestant Christian and citizen of the United States is ignorant of, was a well known fact with many, during the nineteenth century. What was it that they, the common Christian, were ignorant of? Namely, the invasion of despotic Papal influence into the hard won civil liberties, which make up the foundation of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="plus-one-wrap"><g:plusone href="http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/foreign-conspiracy-against-the-liberties-of-the-united-states/"></g:plusone></div><p>What the common Protestant Christian and citizen of the United States is ignorant of, was a well known fact with many, during the nineteenth century.</p>
<p>What was it that they, the common Christian, were ignorant of? Namely, the invasion of despotic Papal influence into the hard won civil liberties, which make up the foundation of this Nation.</p>
<p>I do not say &ldquo;Christian liberties&rdquo; because those liberties are the result of being born again and having the Spirit of God dwelling inside of us. But, it is this Christian liberty, the liberation of the soul from the bondage of the law, the liberty of conscience, that is rooted in Biblical Christianity, freeing us from the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any way, contrary to His Word, which is the cornerstone of true civil liberty. Today there is nary a word heard of this so dire an enemy. The awful result of not responding to this foe has been the nearly complete victory of, and even joining with, the Catholics in all their Pagan and heretical&nbsp; beliefs.</p>
<p>Truth, and Protestant Christianity, the bloody and hard-fought prize of the Reformation, is diametrically opposed to that from which it has been freed:&nbsp; mental and spiritual darkness, and the Roman Catholic Church. But, why the bloody protest? and why the present frightful silence? Is that, which was so hardily fought against, now our bosom buddy?</p>
<p>Are the words below, of Charles Spurgeon, still as true today as they were in January 1873?</p>
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<p><img align="left" alt="Spurgeon" src="http://www.spurgeon.org/images/spurgn38.jpg" style="display: inline; float: left" />&mdash;the superstition of Rome is the worst of all the evils which have befallen our race; may the Lord arise, and sweep it down to the hell from whence it arose.</p>
<p>Essence of lies, and quintessence of blasphemy, as the religion of Rome is,<font style="background-color: #ffff00"> it nevertheless fascinates a certain order of Protestants</font>, of whom we fear it may be truly said that &quot;they have received a strong delusion to believe a lie, that they may be damned.&quot; Seeing that it is so, it becomes all who would preserve their fellow-immortals from destruction to be plain and earnest in their warnings. Not in a party-spirit, but for truth&#39;s sake, our Protestantism must protest perpetually. Dignitaries of the papal confederacy are just now very prominent in benevolent movements, and we may be sure that they have ends to serve other than those which strike the public eye. A priest lives only for his church; he may profess to have other objects, but this is a mere blind. Our ancient enemies have small belief in our common sense if they imagine that we shall ever be able to trust them, after having so often beheld the depths of Jesuitical cunning and duplicity. The sooner we let certain Archbishops and Cardinals know that we are aware of their designs, and will in nothing co-operate with them, the better for us and our country. Of course, we shall be howled at as bigots, but we can afford to smile at that cry, when it comes from the church which invented the Inquisition. &quot;No peace with Rome&quot; is the motto of reason as well as of religion.</p>
<p><strong>We must have no truce, no treaty with Rome. War! War to the knife with her! Peace there cannot be. <br />
		</strong>C. H. S.</p>
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<p>The unqualified answer is YES! his words still ring true today!&nbsp; As the sun reaches its apogee and moves again to perigee, and the waves with regularity push up toward the sky, then back into the darkness, so the history of man upon the earth vacillates between hot and cold, light and darkness. The words of Spurgeon stands to warn us that even now we are moving back again into the darkness of embracing the anti-Biblical and paganistic ideas of Rome.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Where can we expect the compromised, corrupted, Protestant leaders of 21 century Churches to lead us? Naturally, it would be backwards into falsehood, darkness, and delusion. The Bible warns us about how sensual the inclinations of the flesh are, and that at every opportunity it would attempt to lead us into fleshly worship experiences, through minute mixtures of paganism, with truth.</p>
<p>It is common and profitable for Pastors and authors to capitalize on this human weakness to pamper the flesh. True Christianity can be quite boring for the nominal believer compared to the flamboyance of pagan rituals that excite the flesh. The Christianity of Christ and the Apostles was of a simple nature, and a simple life, exemplified by the simplicity and pureness of worship and lifestyle, and not a flesh tingling experience. We should not be surprised, although we always are when we finally come into the light of truth, to find that there is, today, a near universal appeal to the flesh, through the senses, to grow Churches. The whole Catholic religion is based on the sensual, the experiential, the flesh, and consequently, the paganistic, to lure those, conditioned from birth, to un-conscientiously accept her teaching as the &ldquo;gospel truth.&rdquo;&nbsp; These outward appeals , fashioning themselves to be &ldquo;holy,&rdquo; are the devises used to forge a strictly material organization called &ldquo;church.&rdquo;&nbsp;</p>
<p>Is it any wonder that the now post-<em>protest</em>ant church, being experientially based, finds little conflict with Catholicism, and seeks to capitalize on her proven methods of capturing souls for Jesus, and enslaving them to experiential forms of worship, rather than the freedom of simplicity? This is not conjecture, it is a fact!</p>
<p>A very well known, post-protestant author and <img align="left" height="225" src="https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT1WKENcFVuZDX16c-4CQVzHUeJgY_XcladSlSBvN28oVltHXWcqg" style="display: inline; float: left" width="174" />professor (now deceased), Robert E. Webber writing to, &ldquo;The Younger Evangelicals,&rdquo; concerning, &ldquo;facing the challenges of the new world&rdquo; directs the young and na&iuml;ve, who know nothing of their Protestant heritage, but know everything about the flesh, backwards into what he terms &ldquo;ancient-future faith,&rdquo; which is nothing but rehashed Catholicism and paganism, and does this without any kind of warning as to its origin. He does not advise these youngsters to investigate this mystical form of worship which generated the Inquisition and consequential death of 60,000,000 Christians for no other reason than they wanted to read the Bible, and understand it, as it is written. He does not highlight the fact that the so-called leaders were some of the most personally corrupt individuals to walk the planet. He does not remind us that the belief system of these ancient desert fathers rarely agreed with the Bible. These &ldquo;fathers&rdquo; interposed their own mystical gleanings over and above the Bible itself, and claimed their inspiration as valid; although it, in almost every case, conflicted with the words of Scripture. He, like the Catholic priest, minimizes Scripture and promotes experience to validate truth. Has the Catholic Church chosen to adopt the American way of freedom and partake of Reformation truth? No she has not reformed.</p>
<p>To give an example of where the post-protestant churches today are headed I will but reference the last commercial church I attended; Eagle Church (Christian and Missionary Alliance) in Whitestown, Indiana. While attending there it was not unusual to hear Eric Simpson, the assistant pastor, praise the Catholic Church. He would even take sabbaticals to monasteries. Eric has no respect for the multiplied millions who died to secure for him a pulpit to preach his duplicity. Eric is a closet Catholic duping the ignorant and leading souls back into darkness, where no salvation exist. <a href="http://www.eaglechurch.com/ericsimpson">Here is the web page where Eric promotes his love of Romanism.</a></p>
<p>Eagle Church is nowhere close to being the only example. If you would look closely at most &ldquo;evangelical&rdquo; Churches you will likely find the earmarks of the infiltration of paganistic Rome, either through spiritual formation, contemplative prayer,&nbsp; the use of images, incense, lighting and sound effects, burning of candles, sacred spaces, sacred traditions, and many other things built upon multi-sensory, ancient-future, and vintage forms of worship, gleaned from the Roman Catholic Church.</p>
<p>The Church of Rome and the post-protestant evangelical church are kindred spirits, both promising the same thing, but by slightly different paths of experiences. What was once wrong and highly protested, not only by the faithful Church but also our founding fathers, is still wrong today. All of our preachers have become mute, who only speak sweetness, and are failing in their true calling to not only proclaim the Good News, but to warn the flock of the damning infiltration of Rome.</p>
<p>Not many today will even claim the name of &ldquo;Protestant&rdquo; to promote their Church; although most will still use denominational titles, identifying them with a particular sect.&nbsp; Recently there is a move to hide behind the more docile, ecumenical, and generic titles of &ldquo;community church&rdquo; or &ldquo;cultural center,&rdquo; so as to blend with the world. There is a stigma attached to the word &ldquo;protestant&rdquo; that has been associated with bigotry and intolerance, and instills fear in the un-grounded and nominal believer. The word protestant Christian should be a badge of honor, that shows that a person stands against all falsehood, regardless of its origin, but especially against the spreading scourge of Romanism.</p>
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<p><img align="left" height="257" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G5p0MLGrzw0/TQCLtU1F7KI/AAAAAAAAAKs/_1qY16ov8t4/s1600/Pope.jpg" style="display: inline; float: left" width="195" />In 1835, in his <i>Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States</i>, Samuel Morse, inventor of the telegraph wrote: &ldquo;Surely American Protestants, freemen, have discernment enough to discover beneath them the cloven foot of this subtle foreign heresy. They will see that Popery is now, what it has ever been, a system of the darkest political intrigue and despotism, cloaking itself to avoid attack under the sacred name of religion. They will be deeply impressed with the truth, that Popery is a political as well as a religious system; that in this respect it differs totally from all other sects, from all other <b>forms of religion in the country</b>.&rdquo;</p>
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<p>Following is the link to the book, &ldquo;Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United State&rdquo;. Please take the time to read it, I guarantee it will be an eye opening education; <a href="http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Samuel_Morse_A_FOREIGN_CONSPIRACY,1853-With-Addendums.pdf">download the complete book here</a> .</p>
<p>For more reading:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Chiniquy-Fifty_Years_in_the_Church_of_Rome-1886-NOT-Bkmrkd.pdf">50 Years in the Church of Rome by Charles Chiniquy</a></li>
<li>People&rsquo;s Padre by Emmett McLoughlin</li>
<li>A Woman Rides the Beast by Dave Hunt</li>
<li>Ecclesiastical Megalomania</li>
<li>The Torch of the Testimony by John W. Kennedy</li>
<li><a href="http://www.ivantic.net/Ostale_knjiige/The%20Two%20Babylons.pdf">The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop</a></li>
<li>Roman Catholicism by Loraine Boettner</li>
<li><a href="http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/history/About.htm">History of the Christian Church by Phillip Schaff</a></li>
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		<title>A Little Bit About Hell, and Rob Bell; Chapter 3, Love Wins</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; Rob Bell is obviously not one of those to whom the truth has been revealed, and has found it necessary to rely on his own &#8220;reason&#8221; to try and de-code Bible mysteries.&#160; Rob&#8217;s results are laughable since he overlooks the evident simplicity of &#8220;truth.&#8221; When Jesus spoke, many misunderstood Him, because He would use [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="plus-one-wrap"><g:plusone href="http://www.indywatchman.com/apostacy/a-little-bit-about-hell-and-rob-bell-chapter-3-love-wins/"></g:plusone></div><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Chap-3.png"><img alt="" class="alignright size-full wp-image-1221" height="160" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Chap-3.png" title="Chap 3" width="160" /></a>Rob Bell is obviously <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><u>not </u></b>one of those to whom the truth has been revealed, and has found it necessary to rely on his own &ldquo;reason&rdquo; to try and de-code Bible mysteries.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp; </span>Rob&rsquo;s results are laughable since he overlooks the evident simplicity of &ldquo;truth.&rdquo; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">When Jesus spoke, many misunderstood Him, because He would use the apparent to identify the not-so-apparent. Most often this was seen in the many parables He spoke. Even His Disciples had to be taken aside and the meaning &ldquo;revealed&rdquo; to them. We are told that this is how we are to understand everything spiritual; it has to be revealed to us. Also, we are told that to those outside, the answer is not revealed, and that they will remain in the dark. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Understanding the inspired writings of God, which is proven by our obedience, is a wonderful &ldquo;fruit,&rdquo; and much joy comes as a result; along with much trouble. We are told to look for the fruit to distinguish the true believers from the false. But, in Rob Bell we see no fruit of understanding, only the fruits of a clever mind. Rob stumbles along, when trying to grasp what the Bible could possibly be talking about, when it uses words like &ldquo;Gehenna.&rdquo; Many in Jesus day were confused by His use of the common to illustrate the uncommon; they just couldn&rsquo;t connect the dots, because the Master did not reveal the answer, and the Holy Spirit had not yet been given.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There were some of those surrounding Jesus who would have understood that the Greek word Gehenna was the same as the Hebrew Old Testament word Tophet , <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-size:<br />
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%">&ldquo; </span></i><span class="apple-style-span"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.5pt;line-height:115%;font-family:<br />
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#001320">Topheth has long been prepared; it has been made ready for the king. Its fire pit has been made deep and wide, with an abundance of fire and wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of burning sulfur, sets it ablaze,&rdquo;</span></i></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;<br />
mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%"> </span>(Isa. 30:33; Jer. 7:31,32.) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jesus was linking Gehenna with Tophet, and neither Gehenna nor Tophet were the same as Sheol, Hades, the Abyss, or Tartarus, although they were translated Hell. Thus our Savior says in Matt. 10:28, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:<br />
normal">&ldquo;that we are not to fear them which kill the body, but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in Gehenna.&rdquo;</i> This is the same place that John calls <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">&ldquo;the lake of fire which burneth with brimstone,&rdquo;</i> and into which the Beast and the False Prophet, Satan, Death, Hades, and whosoever is not found written in the book of life, are finally cast, and swallowed up forever; i.e., it is the ultimate &ldquo;Hell&rdquo; of full and final punishment.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As far as Rob wishing that this world is &ldquo;Hell;&rdquo; he can only wish.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rob&rsquo;s ignorance of Scripture shows up in his dealing with the Rich Man and Lazarus also. This story is not called a parable, and could very well be the unveiling of an invisible world where departed souls, of both good and bad, continue on in life, after leaving the body. Is not God the God of the Living? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If I may add my two cents worth here concerning Hades I think that the Scriptures have designated Hades as a place, other than just a hole in the ground. A careful inventory of the passages where this word is used I think is conclusive that Hades is the name of a place in the unseen world. But, it is distinct from Hell as the place of the final judgment. The ancient&#39;s understanding of the word was that it was a place of departed spirits, a receptacle of souls that have left the body. This is the place where Christ descended into, a place where both good and bad souls, up to the time of Christ&#39;s resurrection, went. The reason I say this, is that it seems that Hades was divided into two compartments, one side of which was known as &quot;paradise.&quot; Hades is the place where the rich man and Lazarus both went when they died. Lazarus went into the bosom of Abraham, i.e. <st1:place w:st="on">Paradise</st1:place>. In Hades the rich man lifted up his eyes and seeing Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom. Lazarus was then in Hades too, as well as Abraham, and the only difference was a great gulf between them. Lazarus was comforted and the rich man tormented, but Lazarus was not yet in Heaven. And, also, the words of our Lord while on the cross to the thief; today you will be with me in <st1:place w:st="on">Paradise</st1:place>, i.e. the better part of Hades. They were neither in Hell nor in Heaven. It is kind of like a holding area for both, a place of detention. We don&#39;t hear that there was any compensation given to the good, or of judgment for the bad. Christ, by virtue of death went to Paradise, but not as a subject of death, but as its conqueror proclaiming victory to the departed saints (1 Peter 3:18, 19) and brought with Him the faithful souls as <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">&quot;having the keys to death and to Hades.&quot;</i> Paradise no longer is in Hades, but only those who await judgment. <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">&quot;O death where is thy sting? O Hades where is thy victory?&quot;</i> The grave still has its victory, all our dead bodies will end up there, but there is no victory for Hades as to the faithful, but only for those who have no claim in Christ; no share in His redemption. But, Hades is not Hell/Gehenna.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rob&rsquo;s nice little story may appease weak souls who feed on corn husk, but it will never convince anyone who is filled with the Spirit of God. Rob Bell is an unbeliever and a false teacher which can be proven by his fruits and his theatrics, and his rejection of the simple word of God.<o:p></o:p></p>
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		<title>Brian Mclaren: Making a Case For Rob Bell</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; Brian McLaren takes issue with the critics of Rob Bell. But, Brian recognizes that Rob is pushing the envelope with his not so disguised stand for universalism that he makes in his new book, Love Wins. Why else would Brian be &#8220;anticipating the baptism in hot water (or worse) that Rob Bell was about [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="plus-one-wrap"><g:plusone href="http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/brian-mclaren-making-a-case-for-rob-bell/"></g:plusone></div><p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/blind-leading-blind-off-cliff.jpg"><img alt="" class="alignright size-full wp-image-1200" height="152" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/blind-leading-blind-off-cliff.jpg" title="blind leading blind off cliff" width="168" /></a>Brian McLaren takes issue with the critics of Rob Bell. But, Brian recognizes that Rob is pushing the envelope with his not so disguised stand for universalism that he makes in his new book, Love Wins. Why else would Brian be &ldquo;anticipating the baptism in hot water (or worse) that Rob Bell was about to experience with the publication Love Wins,&rdquo; unless he recognizes Rob&rsquo;s vulnerable and precarious stance?</p>
<p>As Rob Bell&rsquo;s comrade in arms, attempting to solace his friend&rsquo;s suffering, by breaking the silence and coming out in his defense, Brian is not content to just let it lay, and hopefully go away. As a vested friend, Brian adds a little oil to the already slippery slopes of Rob&rsquo;s creative liberal theology, by offering this<a href="http://brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/challenging-three-cherished-evan.html"> flimsy critique</a> of <a href="http://www.albertmohler.com/2011/03/16/we-have-seen-all-this-before-rob-bell-and-the-reemergence-of-liberal-theology/">Albert Mohler&rsquo;s claim</a> that Rob has no right to determine his own story or manufacture his own gospel.</p>
<p>Brian, in his critique, will try to convince us that, &ldquo;communication is nearly always tricky.&rdquo; What I take this to mean is that, communication is tricky when you are trying to get someone to do, or believe, something that is contrary to their present frame of mind. But, is our normal everyday communication really tricky? No! The tricky part comes into play when we try to fly under the radar of truth, by insinuating certain things into the conversation, trying to draw a persons thinking onto another path. To say things plainly is not difficult with wives or children, unless we are attempting to be manipulative. Our children will purposely not understand us if discipline has been missing. They understand very well the real message being communicated.&nbsp;</p>
<p>On the contrary, it is deception that makes things tricky. We saw Rob Bell&rsquo;s opportunity to speak plainly in his interview with<a href="
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-qgmJ7nzA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-qgmJ7nzA</a></p>
<p> Martin Bashir of MSNBC on this You Tube video</a> &nbsp;where Rob is constantly being &ldquo;tricky.&rdquo; Rob never did answer his questions plainly. The ruse failed, but Martin&rsquo;s interview was a success; by not answering the questions, the answers came through loud and clear. Rob came across as a trickster. Yes, if you are trying to formulate a lie things can get tricky, as we all know and can relate to, but speaking plainly is not that difficult.</p>
<p>Here is the difference between Rob Bell, Brian McLaren, and Albert Mohler; Albert is speaking plainly. Was what he said hard to understand? Nothing tricky that I could find. I think everyone knows exactly where Albert Mohler stands, and I&rsquo;m sure Martin Bashir would not have had as much fun with Albert as he did with Rob. Now, Albert may be mistaken in some areas, but the point is that he was clear in what he said; no flimflam.&nbsp;</p>
<p>On the other hand, who knows what Rob Bell believes? With all the verbal gymnastics he uses, he sounds more like a politician than someone who lays claim to truth. We know perfectly well when we have made ourselves hard to understand. We know when we have tried to color our story to make it appear to be something it is not. The bottom line is that we know when we have intentionally muddied the waters to achieve some hidden agenda. We can always blame it on, &ldquo;the biases, fears, hopes, politics, vocabulary, and other characteristics of the receiver or the receiver&#39;s community.&rdquo; Creating confusion is one of the hallmarks of the Emerging heresy.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Brian says Rob Bell has been misunderstood, as always occurred in the old pass the message around the room game. This could possibly happen if all we had were the sketchy second hand accounts of Rob, whispered in an ear and then passed on verbally, but that is not the case; we have Rob Bell&rsquo;s own original words, in writing, in audio, and in video. What&rsquo;s to misunderstand? There is no &ldquo;static&rdquo; in the line as Brian complains.</p>
<p>If the truth of the Scriptures have been changed over time, as Brian claims, it has happened primarily through deception of one sort or the other. We have many accurate translations of Scriptures and none agree with Rob Bell or Brian McLaren, so this is more subterfuge.</p>
<p>Brian doesn&rsquo;t make any distinction between an interpretation of the Bible, and liberal Form Criticism, adaptation, or abridged version of the Bible, which starts with the premise that the sources cannot be trusted. &nbsp;There is a whole &ldquo;world&rdquo; of difference between them. A translation is a written communication in a second language having the same meaning as the written communication in a first language. To faithfully interpret the Bible, is the act or process of explaining or elucidation, or to bring out the meaning of all the words and stories found therein, this is known as exegesis, (to bring out.) To redact or adapt the Bible would be to do as Rob Bell and Brian have done. It is to edit out or retell according to ones own liking, by introducing culture onto Scripture, then <strong>suggest</strong> the correct understanding. The &ldquo;original story&rdquo; which Brian and Rob say they are &ldquo;bound to&rdquo; does not exist, and is a fabrication from Brian and Rob&rsquo;s imagination and generous creative orthodoxy.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Brian give an example for us here, &nbsp;</p>
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<p>&ldquo;Rob is suggesting that Jesus&#39; original story (as he interprets it) is better than the version many hold and proclaim today. He&#39;s making a distinction &#8211; nuanced to some, obvious to others &#8211; between the actual original gospel and the imperfect versions or approximations of it that any of us proclaim. He wants to be bound to that original story rather than to a popular (perhaps the most popular in some settings) version of it.&rdquo;</p>
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<p><strong>&ldquo;The actual original Gospel,&rdquo;</strong> is nothing like what Rob presents to us in Love Wins.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Brian goes on to state that belief and trust in the Bible as written is &ldquo;excessive confidence.&rdquo; Really?</p>
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<p>&ldquo;That excessive confidence hides behind a popular saying: &quot;The Bible says it, I believe it, and that settles it.&quot; To many ears, the saying sounds admirable. But wouldn&#39;t the saying be <strong>a bit more honest</strong>, and a bit less admirable, if we phrased it like this: &quot;The Bible says something which<strong> I </strong>interpret in a certain way, and <strong>I</strong> believe that interpretation, and that settles it&quot;?&rdquo;</p>
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<p>With one swipe of his pen, or keyboard, Brian has just turned the truth into a lie of Satanic proportions. <strong>&ldquo;A bit more honest&rdquo;</strong>? Doesn&#39;t this sound very similar to, <strong><em>&quot;hath God really said&quot;?</em></strong> This is ludicrous!! I&rsquo;m almost beginning to feel sorry for Rob.</p>
<p>Brian gets it wrong again. What Brian is saying, in Rob&rsquo;s defense, is that he rejects the truth of Scripture, and turns it into silly putty. Once you have gotten to this point anything can emerge, and it does.&nbsp;</p>
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<p>&ldquo;Many of us are concerned about the <strong>traditional doctrine of hell for reasons of justice</strong> and holiness, not mere sentimentality. Even putting God&#39;s loving nature aside for a moment, it&#39;s very hard to square the idea of eternal conscious torment with a just or holy God, especially when Jesus repeatedly encourages us to trust God as a just and holy father.&rdquo;</p>
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<p>Well, he should be concerned about God&rsquo;s justice, as well as his own repentance.</p>
<p>Redacting &ldquo;hell&rdquo; out of the Bible will not do. Brian and Rob get rid of &ldquo;hell&rdquo; so that they can have a God they can believe in and live with. There are many Christian Scientist who don&rsquo;t believe in sickness or death, which is the ultimate sickness, but they die all the same, even their founder, Mary Baker Edy, dead. So, it doesn&rsquo;t matter what we believe, what matters is the truth. The truth is, just as the Book of Truth, the Bible says, hell is for real. It is not contingent upon Brian&rsquo;s or Rob&rsquo;s concerns, or whether or not they understand &ldquo;justice and holiness,&rdquo; or whether they can &ldquo;square the idea of eternal conscious torment with a just or holy God,&rdquo; it simply is not going to go away. If we do not understand something about the Sovereign God of the universe we should go to Him and ask for wisdom, who will give to every man according to their faith. What Brian does not understand is that God&rsquo;s love and His justice cannot be separated, because they are the same, they are who God is, loving and just.</p>
<p>Luke 13:1-9</p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; "><em>1 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, &quot;Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But <strong>unless you repent, you too will all perish.</strong> 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them &mdash; do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But <strong>unless you repent, you too will all perish.</strong>&quot;&nbsp;<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></em></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; "><em>6 Then he told this parable: &quot;A man </em>(God)<em> had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. 7 So he said to the man </em>(Jesus)<em> who took care of the vineyard, &#39;For three years now I&#39;ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven&#39;t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?&#39;&nbsp;<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></em></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; "><em>8 &quot;&#39;Sir,&#39; the man replied, &#39;leave it alone for one more year, and I&#39;ll dig around it and fertilize it. 9 If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.&#39;&quot;</em></p>
<p>In these verses we see both the love, (mercy) and justice of God. Many people ask why a good God would allow so many to die in tragic disasters as we have seen lately. Jesus&rsquo; answer to His inquirers was simple, <em>&ldquo;But unless you repent, you too will all perish.&rdquo;</em> These men ask the wrong questions, as do Brian and Rob. Their question should be, why does a just and holy God allow any of us to live; we all deserve to perish. In verse 6-8 Jesus balances the justice of God with His love in a simple parable. God&rsquo;s justice demands &ldquo;fruit,&rdquo; but through patient love for His Son (the Keeper of the vineyard) He displays His mercy and puts a hold on justice, and makes allowances to give time for repentance and fruit bearing.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Rob Bell and Brian McLaren are doing themselves no good, if they are at all interested in the future. Their conversations and convolutions make no sense in the light of the Bible, and in the light of Truth, and do much harm to their followers; remember Korah&nbsp;<span style="font-size:12px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">Numbers 15:1-50</span></span>.</p>
<p>There is no need to continue here with Brian&rsquo;s criticisms.&nbsp;</p>
<p>God has made His word plain; it is simple to understand for anyone seeking the truth.</p>
<p>We have been warned to beware of these wolves, and my warning cannot be made any clearer than God&rsquo;s own warning,</p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px; "><strong><em>Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep&#39;s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.</em></strong> (Matt. 7:15-21)&nbsp;</p>
<p>Steve Blackwell</p>
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		<title>Warning!! Love Wins, by Rob Bell</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; &#160; Love Wins &#160; A New Book by Rob Bell &#160; Every marketer knows that it is the headline or title that causes most people to read news papers, or buy books. Advertisers will tell you that the most important thing when advertising is the headline. Pick up a Readers Digest, they have mastered [...]]]></description>
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<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p>
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial Black&quot;">Love Wins<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial Black&quot;">A New Book by Rob Bell<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Every marketer knows that it is the headline or title that causes most people to read news papers, or buy books. Advertisers will tell you that the most important thing when advertising is the headline. Pick up a Readers Digest, they have mastered the &quot;headline.&quot;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rob Bell knows this also.</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#999999">LOVE WINS</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Arial;<br />
color:silver">,</span></span> <span style="mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;</span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:Arial;<br />
color:#A0A095">A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Who can argue with the title of Rob&#39;s new book? What sect of Christianity, or any religion, would deny that Love wins in the end? <span style="mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;</span>The question comes down to the definition of &quot;love&quot; and where that definition comes from. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span">In the sixties we were bombarded with &quot;love,&quot; and we have seen what that experiment has produced; a whole generation of babies murdered in the womb. Today, love is in the air once again, and Rob Bell has captured the essence of this love fest by making scandalous claims against God. He has put words into the mouth of God that are pure and simple lies; Rob has made God a liar. Rob&#39;s definition of love has been plucked out of thin air, and can nowhere be found in the document given to us by God Himself. Rob&#39;s definition of love comes not from the Living God, so it must come from another source. Where, or who, might that source be?There is only one other source; if it is not from Heaven then, it is from Hell; if it is not God, then it is Satan. This is a trustworthy saying, because it comes from the Book of Truth, the Bible, God&#39;s own words. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span">Rob Bell understands marketing, and knows there is a &quot;market&quot; for his version of love. There has always been a market for Rob&#39;s version of love, because it appeals to the sensitivities of men and women wanting to fashion a life of love, on a definition that in no way interrupts their efforts to feed their desires or require absolute truth and repentance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span">Rob Bell, is in effect playing god, like so many before him. Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith, L Ron Hubbard, Sun Myung Moon, <span style="color:black">Charles Taze Russell, the Pope, and the beat goes on, and on, and on. These all pretend to have esoteric knowledge, i.e. understandable by only an enlightened inner circle. They all regard themselves to be able to know some hidden interpretation of Scripture other than what is plainly stated. At least the others claim to have had some supernatural experience, or angelic guidance, but Rob, he just sucks his knowledge out of thin air, or worse yet relies on his heart, which the Bible says <i>is &quot;deceptive beyond all things.&quot;</i><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="color:black">I will give credit to Rob for one thing, he got the title right. Unfortunately, everything else is wrong. From his web site,</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:Arial;<br />
color:#A0A095">Rob Bell addresses one of the most controversial issues of faith&mdash;the afterlife&mdash;arguing, would a loving God send people to eternal torment forever&#8230;? With searing insight, </span></span><st1:city><st1:place><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:Arial;<br />
  color:#A0A095">Bell</span></span></st1:place></st1:city><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:Arial;<br />
color:#A0A095"> puts hell on trial, and his message is decidedly hopeful&mdash;eternal life doesn&rsquo;t start when we die; it starts right now. And ultimately, Love Wins.</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span">The question becomes, is Rob Bell right, or is the Bible right. Where do we derive truth? Rob claims that with his &quot;searing insight&quot; he can put God on trial. Since it is God/Jesus that talks so much about hell and the &quot;searing&quot; reality of the place, it is really God who is on trial in Rob&#39;s court, and he finds God guilty of lying. Rob, through his omniscience, has discovered knowledge, that even God was unaware of.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp; </span>Although Rob has gotten the title right, we must conclude that the love he speaks of is not the love spoken of in the Bible. The truth is that God has found Rob Bell guilty of &quot;presumption.&quot; He has presumed to know God better than God knows Himself, and that what God has made known, is not what He really meant. The Hebrew word za&middot;dhohn&prime;, rendered &ldquo;presumptuousness,&rdquo; is derived from the verb zidh, meaning &ldquo;boil up, become heated.&rdquo; (Ge 25:29; Ex </span><st1:time hour="21" minute="14"><span class="apple-style-span">21:14</span></st1:time><span class="apple-style-span">) The heat of anger or pride can cause one to act rashly, to become unwarrantedly bold, and to overstep one&rsquo;s rights. The pride of one&#39;s own ability to see clearly, to reason correctly, or to follow his heart&#39;s leading is rebuked by Solomon in these words, <i>&quot;a man who trust in his own heart is a fool.&quot;</i> Could it be Rob, that the reason God gave us His written word, is so that we would not trust our own &quot;searing insight&quot; and make a fool out of ourselves?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span">God&#39;s written word is the scales on which all our own &quot;searing insights&quot; must be measured. Rob&#39;s searing insight is just that, <strong>it is his</strong>, and therefore must be thrown out with the garbage. It is true that through study, prayer, and meditation on God&#39;s word, that we can move to deeper levels of understanding that exceed that of some others, but it will never, and I will repeat, never, contradict God&#39;s own revelation of Himself in His written word. Rob Bell&#39;s words, along with those of the newly formed cult of the Emerging church, which Rob is part of despite his claim to the contrary, are wholly contradictory to God&#39;s revelation, and for that reason, it is Rob who is on trial here, and not hell or God, and he is found to be wanting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span">Rob&#39;s message is not only NOT &quot;decidedly hopeful,&quot; as he promotes, but it removes all hope, and leads his followers to a hell he claims does not exist. He bases this on his own brilliance, which the Bible says is darkness, <i>&quot;<span style="color:#001320">Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness</span>&quot; </i>Luke 11:35.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span">The Bible is either God&#39;s word, and therefore the truth, or it is not the truth. If it is not the truth as written, then throw it out, but throw out Rob Bell also, because he claims he is a follower of God. If Jesus was not God as He said, and was lying, then He was the Devil, because He said He was The Way, The Truth, and The Life, and that He should be followed to get to Heaven; and he said He could forgive sins, and only God can do that. If the Bible cannot be trusted, and Jesus cannot be trusted, where does that leave Rob Bell? Is he now made to be the way, the truth, and the life?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span">I think you can see where this is going. We have to have some means to know &quot;truth.&quot; Jesus lived among us, His life was documented, and He proved to all posterity, by all of His miracles and His ultimate resurrection from the dead, that He is, in fact, Who He said He was, God, the Savior of mankind, from an eternal hell, by believing in Him and His word, and repenting from the works of sin through the deceitfulness of our own hearts, to follow after others who proclaim to have truth, and &quot;searing insight.&quot; If we cannot trust the documented facts of the life of Jesus, why should we trust Rob Bell, who has only a few books, harvested from a few contrary thoughts of a fertile imagination? The bottom line is, that if we cannot believe the Bible as written, then there is no such thing as truth, and we are all free to live and think as we wish, and the law of the jungle rules; every man for himself, might is right, and the best man wins, <strong>NOT LOVE</strong>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Link to Rob&#39;s video &nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://vimeo.com/20272585">http://vimeo.com/20272585</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; THE HARNESS OF THE LORD &#160; by Bill Britton &#160; I SAW THE KING&#39;S CARRIAGE On a dirt road in the middle of a wide field stood a beautiful carriage, something on the order of a stagecoach but all edged in gold and with beautiful carvings. It was pulled by six large chestnut horses: [...]]]></description>
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<p>THE HARNESS OF THE LORD</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>by Bill Britton</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I SAW THE KING&#39;S CARRIAGE</p>
<p><a href="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Harness1.jpg"><img alt="" class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-1117" height="150" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Harness1-150x150.jpg" title="Harness" width="150" /></a>On a dirt road in the middle of a wide field stood a beautiful carriage, something on the order of a stagecoach but all edged in gold and with beautiful carvings. It was pulled by six large chestnut horses: two in the lead, two in the middle and two in the rear. But they were not moving, they were not pulling the carriage, and I wondered why. Then I saw the driver underneath the carriage on the ground on his back just behind the last two horses&#39; heels working on something between the front wheels on the carriage. I thought, &quot;My, he is in a dangerous place; for if one of those horses kicked or stepped back, they could kill him, or if they decided to go forward, or got frightened somehow, they would pull the carriage right over him.&quot; But he didn&#39;t seem afraid for he knew that those horses were disciplined and would not move till he told them to move. The horses were not stamping their feet nor acting restless, and though there were bells on their feet, the bells were not tinkling. There were pom-poms on their harness over their heads but the pom-poms were not moving. They were simply standing still and quiet waiting for the voice of the Master.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>THERE WERE TWO YOUNG COLTS IN THE FIELD</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>As I watched the harnessed horses I noticed two young colts coming out of the open field and they approached the carriage and seemed to say to the horses: &quot;Come and play with us, we have many fine games, we will race with you, come catch us.&quot; And with that the colts kicked up their heels flicked their tails and raced across the open field. But when they looked back and saw the horses were not following they were puzzled. They knew nothing of the harnesses and could not understand why the horses did not want to play. So they called to them: &quot;Why do you not race with us? Are you tired? Are you too weak? Do you not have strength to run? You are much too solemn, you need more joy in life.&quot; But the horses answered not a word nor did they stamp their feet or toss their heads. But they stood, quiet and still, waiting for the voice of the Master.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Again the colts called to them: &quot;Why do you stand so in the hot sun? Come over here in the shade of this nice tree. See how green the grass is? You must be hungry, come and feed with us, it is so green and so good. You look thirsty, come drink of one of our many streams of cool clear water.&quot; But the horses answered them not so much as a glance but stood still waiting for the command to go forward with the King.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>COLTS IN THE MASTER&#39;S CORRAL</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And then the scene changed and I saw lariat nooses fall around the necks of the two colts and they were led off to the Master&#39;s corral for training and discipline. How sad they were as the lovely green fields disappeared and they were put into the confinement of the corral with its brown dirt and high fence. The colts ran from fence to fence seeking freedom but found that they were confined to this place of training. And then the Trainer began to work on them with His whip and His bridle. What a death for those who had been all their lives accustomed to such a freedom! They could not understand the reason for this torture, this terrible discipline. What crime had they done to deserve this? Little did they know of the responsibility that was to be theirs when they had submitted to the discipline, learned to perfectly obey the Master and finished their training. All they knew was that this processing was the most horrible thing they had ever known.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>SUBMISSION AND REBELLION</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>One of the colts rebelled under the training and said, &quot;This is not for me. I like my freedom, my green hills, my flowing streams of fresh water. I will not take any more of this confinement, this terrible training.&quot; So he found a way out jumped the fence and ran happily back to the meadows of grass. I was astonished that the Master let him go and went not after him. But He devoted His attention to the remaining colt. This colt though he had the same opportunity to escape decided to submit his own will and learn the ways of the Master. The training got harder than ever but he was rapidly learning more and more how to obey the slightest wish of the Master and to respond to even the quietness of His voice. And I saw that had there been no training, no testing, there would have been neither submission nor rebellion from either of the colts. For in the field they did not have the choice to rebel or submit, they were sinless in their innocence. But when brought to the place of testing and training and discipline, then was made manifest the obedience of one and the rebellion of the other. And though it seemed safer not to come to the place of discipline because of the risk of being found rebellious, yet I saw that without this there could be no sharing of His glory, no Sonship.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>INTO THE HARNESS</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Finally this period of training was over. Was he now rewarded with his freedom and sent back to the fields? Oh no. But a greater confinement than ever now took place as a harness dropped about his shoulders. Now he found there was not even the freedom to run about the small corral for in the harness he could only move where and when his Master spoke. And unless the Master spoke he stood still.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The scene changed and I saw the other colt standing on the side of a hill nibbling at some grass. Then across the fields, down the road came the King&#39;s carriage drawn by six horses. With amazement he saw that in the lead, on the right side, was his brother colt now made strong and mature on the good corn in the Master&#39;s stable. He saw the lovely pom-poms shaking in the wind, noticed the glittering gold bordered harness about his brother, heard the beautiful tinkling of the bells on his feet &#8212; and envy came into his heart. Thus he complained to himself: &quot;Why has my brother been so honored, and I am neglected? They have not put bells on MY feet nor pom-poms on MY head. The Master has not given ME the wonderful responsibility of pulling His carriage, has not put about ME the gold harness. Why have they chosen my brother instead of me?&quot; And by the Spirit the answer came back to me as I watched: &quot;Because one submitted to the will and discipline of the Master and one rebelled, thus has one been chosen and the other set aside.&quot;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>A FAMINE IN THE LAND</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Then I saw a great drought sweep across the countryside and the green grass became dead, dry, brown and brittle. The little streams of water dried up, stopped flowing, and there was only a small muddy puddle here and there. I saw the little colt (I was amazed that it never seemed to grow or mature) as he ran here and there across the fields looking for fresh streams and green pastures finding none. Still he ran, seemingly in circles, always looking for something to feed his famished spirit. But there was a famine in the land and the rich green pastures and flowing streams of yesterday were not to be had. And one day the colt stood on the hillside on weak and wobbly legs wondering where to go next to find food and how to get strength to go. It seemed like there was no use, for good food and flowing streams were a thing of the past and all the efforts to find more only taxed his waning strength. Suddenly he saw the King&#39;s carriage coming down the road pulled by six great horses. And he saw his brother, fat and strong, muscles rippling, sleek and beautiful with much grooming. His heart was amazed and perplexed, and he cried out: &quot;My brother where do you find the food to keep you strong and fat in these days of famine? I have run everywhere in my freedom, searching for food, and I find none. Where do you in your awful confinement find food in this time of drought? Tell me, please, for I must know!&quot; And then the answer came back from a voice filled with victory and praise: &quot;In my Master&#39;s House there is a secret place in the confining limitations of His stables where He feeds me by His own hand and His granaries never run empty and His well never runs dry.&quot; And with this the Lord made me to know that in the day when people are weak and famished in their spirits in the time of spiritual famine that those who have lost their own wills and have come into the secret place of the most High into the utter confinement of His perfect will shall have plenty of the corn of Heaven and a never ending flow of fresh streams of revelation by His Spirit. Thus the vision ended.</p>
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<p>INTERPRETATION OF THE VISION</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&quot;Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it,&quot; (Habakkuk 2:2). &quot;Harness the horses; and get up, ye horseman,&quot; (Jeremiah 46:4). I am sure that many of you who can hear what the Spirit saith to the Church have already seen what God was showing in the vision. But let me make it plain. Being born into the Family of God feeding in the green pastures and drinking of the many streams of the unfolding revelation of His purposes is fine and wonderful. But it is not enough. While we were children, young and undisciplined, limited only by the outer fence of the Law that ran around the limits of the pastures (that kept us from getting into the dark pastures of poison weeds) He was content to watch us develop and grow into young manhood, spiritually speaking. But the time came to those who fed in His pastures and drank at His streams, when they were to be brought into discipline or &quot;child-training&quot; for the purpose of making them mature Sons. Many of the children today cannot understand why some of those who have put on the harness of God cannot get excited by the many religious games and the playful antics of the immature. They wonder why the disciplined ones run not after every new revelation or feed on every opportunity to engage in seemingly &quot;good and profitable&quot; religious activities. They wonder why some will not race with them in their frantic efforts to build great works and great and notable ministries. They cannot understand the simple fact that this Company of saints is waiting for the voice of the Master and they do not hear God in all this outward activity. They will move in their time when the Master speaks. But not before, though many temptations come from the playful colts. And the colts cannot understand why those who seemingly appear to have great abilities and strength are not putting it to good use. &quot;Get the carriage on the road,&quot; they say, but the disciplined ones, those in God&#39;s harness, know better than to move before they hear the voice of the Master. They will move in their time with purpose and great responsibility.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And the Lord made me to know that there were many whom He had brought into training who had rebelled against the discipline, the chastising of the Father. They could not be trusted with the great responsibility of mature Sonship so He let them go back to their freedom, back to their religious activities and revelations and gifts. They are still His people, still feeding in His pastures, but He has set them aside from the great purposes for this end of the age. So they revel in their freedom feeling that they were the Chosen Ones with the many streams of living water not knowing that they have been set aside as unfit for His great work in this end of the age.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>He showed me that though the chastising seemeth grievous for the time and the discipline hard to endure yet the result with all the glory of Sonship is worth it all and the glory to follow far exceeds the suffering we endure. And though some lose even their lives in this training yet they will share alike in the glory of His eternal purposes. So faint not saints of God for it is the Lord that doth bring thee into confinement and not thine enemy. It is for thy good and for His glory so endure all things with praises and thanksgiving that He hath counted thee worthy to share His glory! Fear thou not the whip in His hand for it is not to punish thee but to correct and train thee that thou mightest come into submission to His will and be found in His likeness in that hour. Rejoice thou in thy trials in all thy tribulations and glory thou in His cross and in the confining limitations of His harness for He hath chosen thee and He hath taken upon Himself the responsibility of keeping thee strong and well fed. So lean thou upon Him and trust not in thine own ability and thine own understanding. So shalt thou be fed and His hand shall be upon thee and His glory shall overshadow thee and shall flow through thee as it goes forth to cover the earth. Glory to God! Bless the Lord! He&#39;s wonderful! Let Him be Lord of your life, friends, and complain not at that which He bringeth to pass in your life.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>PLENTY IN THE TIME OF FAMINE</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>For in the hour when famine sweeps the land He shall feed by His own hand those who are submitted to His perfect will and who dwell in the secret place of the Most High. When terror stalks the land those in His harness shall not be afraid for they shall feel His bit and bridle and know the guidance of His Spirit. When others are weak and frail and fearful there shall be those who shall be strong in the power of His might and shall lack for no good thing. In the hour when the traditions of the religious systems have proven false and their streams have dried up, then His Chosen Ones shall speak forth with the true Word of the Lord. So rejoice, Sons of God, that you have been chosen by His grace for this great work in this last hour.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The fence which kept the colts in their own meadows and their own pastures mean nothing to the team in the harness for the gates open to them and they go forth pulling the King&#39;s carriage into many strange and wonderful places. They do not stop to eat the poison weeds of sin for they feed only in the Master&#39;s stable. These fields they trample under their feet as they go forth on the King&#39;s business. And so to those who are brought into absolute subjection to His will there is no Law. For they move in the Grace of God led only by His Spirit where all things are lawful but not all things are expedient. This is a dangerous realm for the undisciplined and many have perished in sin as they leaped over the fence without His harness and His bridle. Some have thought of themselves as being completely harnessed and submissive to Him only to find that in some avenue of their life there dwelled rebellion and self-will. Let us wait before Him until He puts His noose around us and draws us to His place of training. And let us learn of the dealings of God and the movings of His Spirit until at last we feel His harness drop about us and hear His voice guiding us. Then there is safety from the traps and pitfalls of sin and then shall we abide in His House forever!</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; George Warnock say so gracefully and plainly what I have been trying to say, in my stumbling way, that we need an awakening to the deep things of God. What we have learned to be content with, in our forms and programs, George brings to the forefront and shines the bright light of truth [...]]]></description>
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<p>George Warnock say so gracefully and plainly what I have been trying to say, in my stumbling way, that we need an awakening to the deep things of God. What we have learned to be content with, in our forms and programs, George brings to the forefront and shines the bright light of truth squarely into its darkness.</p>
<p>I pray that you will be blessed as I was with the reading of Beauty For Ashes.</p>
<p>I will be publishing, for FREE, in PDF format, George Warnock&#39;s entire Beauty For Ashes series in our new store front, so be looking for it.</p>
<p>Steve Blackwell</p>
<p style="text-align: center; ">______________________________________________&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center; ">&nbsp;</p>
<p>George H. Warnock</p>
<p><a href="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Beauty-for-ashes.jpg"><img alt="" class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-1079" height="150" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Beauty-for-ashes-150x150.jpg" title="Beauty for Ashes" width="150" /></a>I am confident the time is at hand when our Lord will arise in the midst of the Church with eyes as a&nbsp;flame of fire, with feet as of polished brass, with a sharp twoedged sword proceeding out of His&nbsp;mouth&#8230; to cleanse and purge and prepare His people for His Appearing.</p>
<p>l am confident that any ministry in this hour that does not hear what this One is saying, and does not&nbsp;minister what this One is ministering, will be heaping up wood, hay, and stubble for the furnaces of&nbsp;God.</p>
<p>I am confident that there is a people in the land whom God is preparing, disciplining, and refining&#8230;&nbsp;who are going to minister in this hour out of the heart of God; and who, because of this, will work and&nbsp;minister in harmony with Him and with one another, as God sends His fire into the midst of the Church&nbsp;to accomplish His cleansing and purifying work.</p>
<p>We have come to the end; and no longer can we merely prophecy about end-time events, and teach&nbsp;end-time truths. We must begin to minister in union with the End-Time Lord.</p>
<p>Is He not the One who is the Same yesterday, and today, and forever? Ah Yes He is! But He has a&nbsp;special End-Time Name, and that Name is the OMEGA&#8230; which is the last letter of the Greek alphabet.&nbsp;I know He is the Alpha, and He changes not. But in this hour He stands in our midst as the OMEGA.&nbsp;He is bringing to a conclusion. He is bringing to a consummation. He is finishing what He started. He&nbsp;is completing the Building, for which He has laid the foundation. He is about to gather the Harvest, for&nbsp;which He planted the Seed. He will reconcile and join together in harmony the Family of God, for&nbsp;which He sent His Son to be the &quot;firstborn among many brethren.&quot; He will bring forth the LOAF in His&nbsp;people, even as He was the Manna that came down from Heaven. He will effectually join His beloved&nbsp;ones unto Himself in one BODY, even as He was the BODY through which the Father expressed&nbsp;Himself in the earth many centuries ago.</p>
<p>The Vision is high, and we must keep it high. Man has obscured the Vision, because it seems too high&nbsp;for attainment. But in reality it is because man does not want to go God&rsquo;s way, and yield himself as&nbsp;clay in the hands of the Potter. For this is God&rsquo;s work&#8230; this is God&rsquo;s creation.., it is not the work of&nbsp;man.</p>
<p>God is going to do what He said. But He is going to do it in a manner far different from, and far&nbsp;beyond, what any of us have imagined. He is going to bring to desolation everything, every church&nbsp;structure, every planting, every gathering together in His Name, every ministry.., everything that is&nbsp;NOT THE PRODUCT, that is NOT THE FRUIT OF HIS OWN SPIRIT EXERCISING HIS&nbsp;LORDSHIP IN THE MIDST OF HIS PEOPLE.</p>
<p>And then out of the ashes of all this desolation He will bring forth the very Beauty of the Lord!</p>
<p>And so I can think of no better title for this series of messages that I feel the Lord has laid on my heart,&nbsp;than this beautiful phrase from the prophet Isaiah, where God promised He would give His people&nbsp;&quot;BEAUTY FOR ASHES.&quot;</p>
<p>Our hope is that we might rekindle the vision in the hearts of God&rsquo;s people, and make it clear and&nbsp;plain&#8230; lest in the face of all the disappointment and disillusionment that has overtaken the people of&nbsp;God they begin to take the course that has been so tempting to take: either to forsake the Vision&nbsp;entirely, or to so dilute it with human reasoning and manipulation that there is really nothing left but a&nbsp;vision for some humanly devised project for promoting programs of various kinds, or amassing large&nbsp;congregations of people together in one building, under the guise of gathering together the Body of&nbsp;Christ in &quot;the unity of the Spirit.&quot; In so many, many cases the Spirit of God is left completely out of the&nbsp;picture.</p>
<p>Invariably this seems to happen when God comes on the scene and makes His way known. Call it a&nbsp;vision, a revelation, a promise, or whatever. God may well have given it. But as we wait for it to come&nbsp;to pass a weariness sets in, a certain sense of perplexity, of disappointment, of frustration. Then little&nbsp;by little we find some strong leader who presumptuously begins to tackle the problem with his own&nbsp;wisdom and understanding. All in the name of &quot;faith,&quot; of course. All in the name of &quot;Christ.&quot; All in the&nbsp;name of &quot;edifying the Body of Christ.&quot; And so there comes into being another church structure, another&nbsp;system, another outreach, another plan for accomplishing what God would accomplish in and through&nbsp;His own Spirit in the earth. And God gets the credit (though I should really say &quot;the blame&quot;) for the&nbsp;new machinery that has come into being for the purpose of fulfilling the Vision of God.</p>
<p>Of course, every man has to &quot;prove his own work,&quot; and this is not a wholesale condemnation of all that&nbsp;goes on in the Name of Christ. But this seems to be the general pattern; and for a season God seems to&nbsp;go along with it (if you understand what I mean). He knows the course that man will take, and He is&nbsp;not quick to abandon them because of their failure, or their lack of understanding. He just says nothing,&nbsp;and goes along with them. He does so in His great wisdom and love. To stop them short in their tracks&nbsp;would only frustrate them further (if they are determined to go their own way)&#8230; so God lets them do it.&nbsp;&quot;God you said you wanted this&#8230; now I am trying to bring it into being&#8230; why do You hinder me?&quot; So&nbsp;He usually just goes along&#8230; and blesses&#8230; for a season.</p>
<p>It doesn&rsquo;t mean He has approved what man is doing&#8230; or that He has changed His mind about anything.&nbsp;And it doesn&rsquo;t mean that He is going to incorporate man&rsquo;s puny efforts into the grand scheme and&nbsp;design of His own purpose. It is simply a case. of the God of all wisdom and knowledge giving man the&nbsp;opportunity to do what He knows He alone can do; and then when man has become aware of his own&nbsp;failures, and the futility of his own works&#8230; God Himself comes on the scene&#8230; and in the background&nbsp;of human failure and desolation, and in the fullness of time, He gives&#8230;&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center; ">&quot;Beauty for ashes,&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center; ">The oil of joy for mourning,&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center; ">The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness&quot; (Isa. 61:3).</p>
<p>It is really the story of the Old Covenant and the New. Not that there was inherently anything wrong&nbsp;with the righteous requirements of the Law. But when God gave it, man grasped it in his own hands,&nbsp;and confidently cried, &quot;All that the LORD hath said will we do&#8230;&quot; You might even say that God enticed&nbsp;them into it. He offered it to them. Paul says, &quot;The Law entered that the offence might abound&quot; (Rom.&nbsp;5:20). The thought seems to be it &quot;crept in unawares.&quot; One translation reads, &quot;The law slipped in&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>God knew it would. It was never part of His eternal purpose for the Church; but it would have a&nbsp;temporary purpose: namely, to &quot;make sin exceeding sinful&quot;&#8230; and to &quot;shut up all men unto&nbsp;disobedience&quot;&#8230; to imprison all men in one prison-house of sin and disobedience, that one day the&nbsp;Keeper of the prison might walk in and pronounce the message of free Grace: &quot;If you realize now that&nbsp;you are in prison&#8230; if you know for a certainty that you are helpless and undone, and utterly hopeless&nbsp;before God, you may go free&#8230; I open the prison-door, and set you free, by the blood of My Cross.&quot;</p>
<p>And so this matter of justification by faith has become an established truth in the Church ever since the&nbsp;Reformation; and many congregations throughout the land rejoice in the fact that they are &quot;not under&nbsp;the law, but under grace.&quot; But this whole matter goes much deeper than having the right theology; and&nbsp;the fact remains that most congregations of God&rsquo;s people are living under Law, though loudly boasting&nbsp;of their deliverance from it. For the Scriptures make it plain that &quot;IF YE BE LED OF THE SPIRIT, ye&nbsp;are not under the law&quot; (Gal. 5:18). Only the ministration of the Spirit of God in our midst can deliver&nbsp;us from Law. Only as we &quot;walk in the Spirit&quot; are we really free from the Law.</p>
<p>All we have to do is to take a glance across the scene of Christendom, and what do we find? All kinds&nbsp;of laws and by-laws for running the Church. Elders and deacons and pastors and church workers of&nbsp;every kind are ELECTED by the popular vote of the people. It would be too tedious a matter, and too&nbsp;devastating to carnal ambition, to seek God so earnestly that the Spirit of God might come forth and&nbsp;say, &quot;Separate unto me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them,&quot; as He did in the&nbsp;early Church. (See Acts 13:2.) Who needs that in this day and hour? It is much easier and more&nbsp;practical to have a missionary program of our own, and send out the ones we think are qualified for the&nbsp;task.</p>
<p>We could go on and on in this; but we are just illustrating the fact that God&rsquo;s people as a whole&nbsp;continue to function according to LAW, human LAW&#8230; whether it be the Law of Moses, or their own.&nbsp;They have a certain organizational procedure, and all the while they boast they are &quot;free from the&nbsp;Law.&quot;</p>
<p style="text-align: center; "><strong>Ishmael, Child Of The Flesh</strong></p>
<p>Of course, if God were to come forth in our midst and say, &quot;Now I want you to set apart this young&nbsp;couple for a special work for Me&#8230;&quot; we would perhaps be quite prepared to submit to His choice, But if&nbsp;we wait and wait for Him to do it, and He remains silent in the matter, obviously we have to do&nbsp;something about it ourselves. (Of course, we are not suggesting that the Antioch experience is to be the&nbsp;formula for the Church. We are only emphasizing that if and when the Spirit of God is Lord in our&nbsp;midst, He will indicate His will and His way for the people of God.)</p>
<p>And so we have the story of Ishmael repeated over and over again in our various churches and&nbsp;fellowships that abound in the land.</p>
<p>&quot;We have the Word&hellip; we have His promises&#8230; it&rsquo;s up to you and me to get in there and make it&nbsp;work&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>And so the &quot;Promise&quot; that God gives us as a Word to embrace and cherish and hold, a promise that we&nbsp;must guard and nurture in our spirits, until it becomes a living and &quot;pregnant&quot; Word within us&#8230; we&nbsp;take it rather as a challenge to act upon, in the name of faith, in the name of Christian zeal, only to end&nbsp;up in frustration.</p>
<p>And God seems to go along with it for a season. So long, in fact, that we finally are able to convince&nbsp;ourselves that God DID use our plans after all.</p>
<p>And so Ishmael grows up in the household of Sarah and Abraham, as the beloved son that God had&nbsp;promised. God does not whisper in Abraham&rsquo;s ear the day Ishmael is born, &quot;Now look, Abraham&#8230;&nbsp;Ishmael is your son, and I will bless him&#8230; but he is not really the heir that I promised you.&quot; As a result&nbsp;Abraham comes to consider God&rsquo;s silence to be His consent and approval&#8230; this year, and next, and&nbsp;next. Time rolls along, and Ishmael becomes the beloved of Abraham&rsquo;s heart.</p>
<p>We have been accused of setting the Vision too high&#8230; too high for people to grasp. If only we could&nbsp;convince the people of God that the Vision is much higher than we have ever taught or expressed&#8230; and&nbsp;that it is not something for them to &quot;grasp,&quot; but to nurture in their hearts until by the Light of His&nbsp;countenance we are &quot;changed into the same image.&quot; For though the Vision might be spoken of in many&nbsp;ways (as we anticipate doing in this series of writings)&#8230; in the final analysis the Vision is NOTHING&nbsp;LESS THAN THE VISION OF HIS OWN GLORY AND PRESENCE, coming to abide in the House&nbsp;of God.</p>
<p>Then why do we not stop right here, and leave it at that? Because it is the Vision of Him&#8230; and there&nbsp;are so many facets of His Being, so many rays of His glory, so many aspects of His beauty, so many&nbsp;unfoldings of His secrets, that unless we see Him in the full expression of His Being we are not really&nbsp;seeing Him AS HE IS. And God forbid that we should, in this writing or in any other, become so taken&nbsp;up with the chemistry of the living Word that we rejoice in our scientific knowledge of spiritual things,&nbsp;and fail to eat of Him who is the living bread sent down from Heaven for the life of the world. We&nbsp;must not take our place at the table of the Lord as a scientist: able to clearly analyze the food that is on&nbsp;the table, and know for a certainty that there is carbon in this, and sulphur in that&#8230; and hydrogen in&nbsp;that over there&#8230; all the while being totally accurate, but NOT PARTAKING OF THE LIVING&nbsp;TRUTH and allowing it to bring life and health and strength to our spiritual man.</p>
<p>God waits about thirteen years, and then He comes on the scene and reveals Himself afresh to&nbsp;Abraham, and announces: &quot;This shall not be the heir&#8230; Sarah shall have a son&#8230;&quot; Abraham&rsquo;s immediate&nbsp;response is one of surprise, and frustration, as if to say, &quot;Impossible, Lord. But we have Ishmael&nbsp;already&#8230; Why not Ishmael Lord?&quot;</p>
<p>We see an awful lot of the Ishmael in the Church today&#8230; in church structures and programs, and in the&nbsp;individual lives of God&rsquo;s people. Not away out there in the apostate church&#8230; but in the midst of the&nbsp;anointed people, the people of God who profess to have the Spirit and to know His ways. God&nbsp;continues to bless, and God&rsquo;s blessing is taken as a sign of His approval. But in the midst of it all there&nbsp;is the Abraham people of God, who are aware that God is coming on the scene&#8230; and they are hearing&nbsp;Him announce as He did to Abraham and Sarah: &quot;My covenant will I establish with Isaac&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>In other words, God is bringing us back to the clear Vision that He announced in the Word; and we are&nbsp;going to have to forsake our own initiatives and all the schemes that we have devised to bring forth the&nbsp;true Body of Christ in the earth. For instance&#8230;</p>
<p>&quot;God wants His people to be ONE. Just forget your differences and come together, and worship with&nbsp;us&#8230; forget your doctrines, they only divide the Body of Christ, and they don&rsquo;t really matter all that&nbsp;much&#8230; just praise and worship together with us, and learn to love one another&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>And so we have a very sentimental display of what they call love and unity, and a systematized form of&nbsp;worship and praise, something you just do, something you just perform, something you even do in the&nbsp;flesh if need be, just as long as you do it.</p>
<p>Or we have a more practical, a more structured way of doing it&#8230;</p>
<p>&quot;We have true leadership in our church. We have the apostolic and prophetic order established by God.&nbsp;We are authorized to establish the church on its proper foundation. Come under this covering, get on&nbsp;this sure foundation&#8230; and you will come into true relationship with the Body of Christ&#8230;&quot; And so,&nbsp;acting under the delusion that because God did something wonderful away back there in history,&nbsp;whether it be so many centuries ago or so many years ago&#8230; and because they have continued on in that&nbsp;particular &quot;movement&quot; in an unbroken line of succession, therefore, it just must be RIGHT to try to&nbsp;continue and perpetuate what God started. The Spirit of God may have left the whole thing centuries&nbsp;ago&#8230; or even just a few years ago, as the case may be&#8230; but because God started it we are supposed to&nbsp;try to perpetuate it.</p>
<p>God help us to learn the lesson of Eli, of Saul, of Bethel, of Jerusalem, of Rome, of Constantinople&#8230;&nbsp;and we could go on and on in this; places where God&rsquo;s glory once rested in power and authority, but&nbsp;which have long since ceased to be anything more than an empty shell, just a memory of what HAS&nbsp;BEEN. Hear what God has to say about Bethel, the House of God, the place of God&rsquo;s visitation to His&nbsp;chosen Jacob&#8230; but which God forsook because the people had gone into apostasy and idolatry:</p>
<p>&quot;For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, SEEK YE ME, and ye shall live: but SEEK NOT&nbsp;BETHEL, for&#8230; BETHEL SHALL COME TO NOUGHT. SEEK THE LORD, and ye shall live&quot; (Amos&nbsp;5:4-6).</p>
<p>God help His people to understand that places, things, gifts, enablements, ministries, men of God,&nbsp;movements, whatever He might have anointed and used for His glory, THESE ARE NOT TO BE&nbsp;HELD IN VENERATION BY GOD&rsquo;S PEOPLE; and that for their day and hour they are to be received&nbsp;and honored only as channels of His grace to LEAD HIS PEOPLE INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH&nbsp;HIMSELF. Then having served their purpose, God removes them from the scene, that He Himself&nbsp;might have all the glory.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[As demons traverse the globe, they do the only thing they know how to do, deceive and delude, and as men walk in the midst of these shadows, they are the deceived and the deluded. Every man cloaks the truth to appear as so many phantoms, all being mere apparitions of some valid point, and [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>As demons traverse the globe, they do the only thing they know how to do, deceive and delude, and as men walk in the midst of these shadows, they are the deceived and the deluded.</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Every man cloaks the truth to appear as so many phantoms, all being mere apparitions of some valid point, and the new <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">mystics replace revelation.</span> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On a day, not too far distant, the Lord, in His Majestic Glory, will illuminate this world, and the shadows will all flee away, and men will become brutally mindful, that they stand naked and defenseless, with no darkness to run to.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Today we live in a world of shadows, not unlike the stories we read in the book of Judges, <em>&#8220;every man doing what was right in his own eyes&#8221;</em>. Joseph Seiss was one who had some clear vision and was able to unravel quite a lot of what has become the mysterious book of Revelation. He is able to cut through the mist and fog of popular religion and get to the truth of what John was given by Jesus, and to make the blessing a reality to those who seek understanding.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The book is in the public domain and can be downloaded from the internet for those who are interested. It is well worth the read.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Steve Blackwell</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; ">___________________________________________</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>The Apocalypse </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>by Joseph A Seiss, </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>written in 1900, </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Chapter 49 excerpt. </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><st1:stockticker>ONE</st1:stockticker> of the most remarkable paradoxes of the Church of our times is its abhorrence of materiality in connection with the <st1:place><st1:placetype>Kingdom</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename>Christ</st1:placename></st1:place> and the eternal future, whilst practically up to its ears in materialism and earthiness. Were one of the old Christians of the Apostolic age to revisit the world to take a look at our modern Christianity, I think he would be greatly puzzled to understand how, under the guise of spirituality, the whole Church is permeated and loaded down with carnal philosophies, hopes, and aims. Remembering the sublime simplicity of the ancient times, when the Church was set, like a golden circlet, on the head of the King of Glory, in contact everywhere with Divinity, he would be amazed to see how that circlet has been divorced from its original setting, stained with the flesh, and pushed into the morasses and bogs of this world, whilst earthly glories &mdash; crowns, mitres, tiaras, wealth, and secular consequence &mdash; are looked to and worshipped everywhere as the insignia of what in sad mockery is called a &ldquo;spiritual&rdquo; kingdom! Would he not wonder to find Christians locating their most orthodox rejoicing in monarchs, in popes, patriarchs, bishops, sect leaders, numbers, luxurious arts, boastful speeches, worldly orators, secular education, march of intellect, and a fancied progress toward a &ldquo;spiritual&rdquo; millennium of mere secularism,  to merge at last into an empty and impossible heaven! And venturing to inquire of some of our popular preachers, whether this is thought to be the proper waiting for the Lord from heaven, &mdash; the way to pray &ldquo;Thy kingdom come,&rdquo; &mdash; the method by which to realize the blessed consummation when it shall be &ldquo;on earth as it is in heaven,&rdquo; &mdash; the holding fast of the characteristic and animating patriarchal hope of a celestial city which Christ has gone to build and to bring down out of the heaven as the eternal residence of his enthroned saints, &mdash; what would be his surprise to get for answer: &ldquo;Sir, you are laboring under a delusion, &mdash; the kingdom was set up 1,800 years ago, &mdash; the speedy coming again of Christ in person to reign on earth is a carnal idea, long since exploded, and held only by a few eccentric people who cannot rise to a conception of the true spirituality of the Bible; &mdash; and as to the heavenly <st1:city><st1:place>Jerusalem</st1:place></st1:city>, why that is only a gorgeous Oriental symbol of the beautiful church state which you see all around you. The glory of Christianity is to keep abreast with the times, to press popular education, to create machinery to reach and elevate the masses, to follow up the conquests of arms with Bibles and missionaries, schools and civilization, to purify and influence legislation, to improve society by gradual reforms and general enlightenment, to win for the Church the patronage of the rich and great, and so to progress till the whole earth shall rest in the embrace of a worldwide &lsquo;spiritual&rsquo; kingdom (located here in Satan&rsquo;s lap!) to last for indefinite ages! &ldquo;With a groan over his inability to rise to such a philosophy, I can fancy the ancient saint gladly returning to his grave, to sleep in honest earth till that resurrection on which his hopes were fixed, rather than hear any further about a &ldquo;spirituality&rdquo; so carnal, and a Christianity so doubtful and earthy.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A spiritualized earthiness is simply a white-washed sepulcher; and an incorporeal and immaterial eternity for man, is equally aside from the teachings of God&rsquo;s Word. No wonder that professed believers of our day are anxious to put off getting into the heaven they believe in as long as the doctor&rsquo;s skill can keep them out of it, and finally agree to go only as a last despairing resort. It has no substance, no reality, for the soul to take hold on. It is nothing but a world of shadows, of mist, of dim visions of blessedness, with which it is impossible for a being who is not mere spirit, and never will be mere spirit, who knows only to live in a body and shall live forever in a body, to feel any fellowship or sympathy.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[from Be thus Minded&#8230; by Pearl Have you heard of Helen Roseveare?&#160; I hadn&#8217;t until I came across a book of hers called Living Sacrifice.&#160; She was a medical missionary in Zaire from 1953 to 1973.&#160; Her story is a remarkable one.&#160;&#160; Not so much for the adventures she experienced in Africa, but more because [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">Have you heard of Helen Roseveare?&nbsp; I hadn&rsquo;t until I came across a book of hers called <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Living-Sacrifice-Hodder-Christian-Paperbacks/dp/0340237651%3FSubscriptionId%3D0G81C5DAZ03ZR9WH9X82%26tag%3Dzemanta-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D0340237651" rel="amazon" target="_blank" title="Living Sacrifice (Hodder Christian Paperbacks)">Living Sacrifice</a></em>.&nbsp; She was a medical missionary in Zaire from 1953 to 1973.&nbsp; Her story is a remarkable one.&nbsp;&nbsp; Not so much for the adventures she experienced in Africa, but more because of her brutal honesty in relaying the years it took her to truly surrender her entire will to the Lord.&nbsp; You would think that the very choice to become a missionary in a hostile country on the verge of civil uprising would be sufficient&nbsp;to warrant a &ldquo;well done, good and faithful servant&rdquo;, but God saw it differently.&nbsp; </span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">One incident she describes left a deep impression on me.&nbsp; The village where she resided suffered an invasion of small, weaver birds.&nbsp; Requiring palm leaves to weave their nests, these birds stripped the trees in such great numbers, that the future yield of nuts (from which the villagers extracted their valuable palm oil) was seriously threatened.&nbsp; Not only was palm oil a basic commodity in their diets, it was also essential to sustaining the local economy. </span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">A deal was struck&nbsp;with the local village boys: for every ten birds they shot, they got a penny.&nbsp; The kids turned out to be&nbsp;extremely capable marksmen.&nbsp; Soon, the lower branches of all kinds of trees and shrubs were missing.&nbsp; The boys likewise endangered the economy in their zeal, by hacking off the lower, choice boughs from fruit-laden citrus trees and flowering coffee shrubs, acacias, and any other growth which exhibited promising artillery potential.&nbsp; Quick action ensued to salvage these crops. &nbsp;&nbsp;A decision had to be&nbsp;made.&nbsp; Arrows were desperately needed and the only trees to produce them would have to be&nbsp;the acacias, since they only served as eye appeal.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">Everywhere, boys were found whittling, sanding and buffing the thin branches.&nbsp; Any offshoots, knots and thorns were stripped, and smoothed away.&nbsp; Gone were the feathery leaves and fragrant flowers. &nbsp;All was sacrificed&nbsp;to make a perfectly straight and well-balanced arrow, thus ridding the community of the hordes of destructive birds, and preserving the essential food-source.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">The analogy was immediately realized by Helen.&nbsp; She wrote,</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">&ldquo;To be thus transformed, was I willing &ndash; am I still willing &ndash; for the whittling, sandpapering, stripping processes necessary in my Christian life? &nbsp;The ruthless pulling off of leaves and flowers might include doing without a television set or washing machine, remaining single in order to&nbsp;see a job done, re-evaluating the worthiness of the ambition to be&nbsp;a &lsquo;good&rsquo; doctor (according to my terms and values).&nbsp; The snapping off of thorns might include drastic dealing with hidden jealousies and unknown prides, giving up prized rights in leadership and administration.&nbsp; The final stripping of the bark might include lessons to be&nbsp;learned regarding&nbsp;death to self &ndash; self-defense, self-pity, self-justification, self-vindication, self-sufficiency, all the mechanisms of preventing the hurt of too-deep involvement.&nbsp; Am I prepared for the pain, which may at times seem like sacrifice, in order to&nbsp;be made into a tool in His service?&nbsp; My willingness will be a measure of the sincerity of&nbsp;my desire&nbsp;to express my heartfelt gratitude to Him for His so-great salvation.&nbsp; Can I see such minor &lsquo;sacrifices&rsquo; in the light of the great sacrifices of Calvary, where Christ gave all for me?&nbsp; Can I see the apparent&nbsp;cost as minimal compared to the reality of&nbsp;the gain?&nbsp; Do I accept His right to demand my willingness to pay such a price in order to&nbsp;enter into the privilege and joy of being used in His purposes?&rdquo;</span><a href="http://bethusminded.wordpress.com/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/paste/pasteword.htm?ver=3392a-syntaxhighlighter2.3.9#_ftn1" target="_blank">[1]</a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">To be perfectly honest, reading this was not easy.&nbsp; And harder still was posing a similar line of questions to myself.&nbsp; For some reason, the childhood memory of being asked to sit still, and open my mouth wide to receive that ghastly orange-flavored cough syrup came to mind.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;Then I remembered the words penned by F.B. Meyer in his essay &ldquo;<a href="http://articles.ochristian.com/article2939.shtml" target="_blank">The Blessed Life</a>&rdquo;:</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">&ldquo;If you cannot <em>give</em> all, ask the Lord to <em>take</em>&nbsp;all, and especially that which seems so hard to give. Many have been helped by hearing it put thus.&nbsp; Tell them to <em>give</em>, and they shake their heads despondently.&nbsp; They are like the little child who told her mother that she had been trying to give Jesus her heart, but it wouldn&rsquo;t go.&nbsp; But ask them if they are willing for Him to come into their hearts and <em>take</em> all, and they will joyfully assent.&rdquo;</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">Sometimes I need to remind myself that the work of sanctification is not my work to do. &nbsp;A person who requires a heart transplant merely displays his faith in the doctor&rsquo;s skill by submitting himself to the doctor&rsquo;s care.&nbsp; So it is with Jesus Christ.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: small;">He knows me better than I know myself.&nbsp; He loves me more than I can fathom.&nbsp; He is the Great Physician, and what little I can offer, even the weak plea for Him to take those things that I vainly hold onto which only bring sorrow, frustration or bitterness, I trust that He will do so with tenderness and wisdom, that He may enjoy a vessel, an instrument, or even an arrow, fit for the Master&rsquo;s use.</span></p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: small;">&ldquo;Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.&rdquo; &nbsp;I Thessalonians 5:24</span></h3>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit.&#8221; Judges 17:6 The Book of Judges, in my opinion, is the saddest book of the Bible.  It show what happens to a nation when they lose their way. The book illustrates that every path, is not the right path, just because we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="plus-one-wrap"><g:plusone href="http://www.indywatchman.com/uncategorized/a-new-kind-of-christianity-follow-me/"></g:plusone></div><p><em><a href="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Dangerous-dog_sign.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-662" title="Dangerous dog_sign" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Dangerous-dog_sign-297x300.jpg" alt="" width="297" height="300" /></a>&#8220;In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit.&#8221;</em> <strong>Judges 17:6</strong></p>
<p>The Book of Judges, in my opinion, is the saddest book of the Bible.  It show what happens to a nation when they lose their way. The book illustrates that every path, is not the right path, just because we call ourselves Followers of God or Christ. There are many <strong>imagined</strong> ways to God, but only one path is the right path. These are days of darkness and not light; days of confusion and not understanding. We are reliving the Book of Judges, following our own imaginations of what God requires, and missing the mark by a million miles.</p>
<p>Brian McLaren is leading the charge into this new eclectic Christian wonderland. With every book and video, or speaking engagement, more boldness is shown, and more people are mesmerized, with the thoughts of having <strong>their own</strong> &#8220;form&#8221; of the Christian religion.  By following Brian&#8217;s heresy they are cutting wide avenues into the un-saving grace of liberal theology, a land of no return, for most, who venture there.</p>
<p>Tim Challies has read Brian&#8217;s new book and given a telling review of what is to be found there. If you are so inclined to purchase Brian&#8217;s book, at least see what others have to say.  In this age of <em>&#8220;everyone doing what is right in his own eyes,&#8221;</em> be very cautious of where you trod, dangers lurk in places you would never expect to find it, and many are swept away by the Serpent&#8217;s tongue, and pen.</p>
<p>Follow the link below to read Tim&#8217;s review.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.challies.com/archives/book-reviews/a-new-kind-of-christianity.php">http://www.challies.com/archives/book-reviews/a-new-kind-of-christianity.php</a></p>
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