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		<title>Atheist Love Brian McLaren</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[How horrible it will be for you when everyone says nice things about you. That&#8217;s the way their ancestors treated the false prophets. Luke 6:26 This is yet another sign of the apostasy of Brian McLaren. In this piece on Brian&#8217;s site, he praises an atheist for saying nice things about him, who thinks Brian [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em><a href="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/alternative_Atheist.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-720" title="alternative_Atheist" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/alternative_Atheist-300x240.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="240" /></a>How horrible it will be for you when everyone says nice things about you. That&#8217;s the way their ancestors treated the false prophets.</em> Luke 6:26</p></blockquote>
<p>This is yet another sign of the apostasy of Brian McLaren. <a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/an-atheist-responds-to-npr-piece.html">In this piece</a> on Brian&#8217;s site, he praises an atheist for saying nice things about him, who thinks Brian is the epitome of Christian faith.</p>
<p>Why would an atheist praise Brian McLaren? Well, the answer is easy enough, because Brian is essentially saying the same thing as the atheist, and their goals line up. Atheist and heretics are not offended by Brian&#8217;s message, they are brothers traveling the same road. They see Brian as moving into their camp bringing presents (the young and foolish).</p>
<p>The early Church dealt with a similar problem. The religions of the ancient Roman world were all accepted as equally tolerable and equally valuable, and to a large number equally vain, to the Roman people. All the gods were worshiped, and the bond of unity was maintained because every god reigned with equal favor and benefits. It was the Jews first, then the Christians, who violated this universe of unity, by declaring absolutely that there was no other God, but God.</p>
<p>Why were the ancient Christians persecuted?</p>
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<li>They separated themselves from the world and were accused of being divisive.</li>
<li>They accepted as wrong, and idolatrous, every form of religion but the one Christ established.</li>
<li>They refused to bow to the Roman leaders and throw a little incense on a Pagan altar, or burn a candle to their gods.</li>
<li>They were labeled as &#8220;atheist&#8221; because they did not believe in the other gods as equal means of salvation.</li>
<li>They gave honor to One Who was higher than the Monarch.</li>
<li>And, there was one other reason for persecution, it was because of the teaching of the Judas Zealots.  Christianity provided the Zealots with a way to defeat the  government; they were revolutionary Jews who hated Roman rule, and Christianity was simply a means to an end. They were nationalistic, and earthly minded.</li>
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<p>Christ has nothing to do with those who <strong>don&#8217;t</strong> believe in Him, they are the world. Next Brian will be telling us that unbelievers are pleasing to God; Oh! beg my pardon, he already says that.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him. </em>Hebrews 11:6</p></blockquote>
<p>Brian McLaren has defected from Christ and Christianity, while still wearing the uniform and using the language (although with new definitions), and is one of the new Judas Zealots now trying to use Christ to their own advantage. This is the reason that he is  pleased to now add to his ranks, an atheist. It matters not that they represent two different worlds and systems, it only matter that he accomplish &#8220;his&#8221; goals, of unification of all beliefs, government reform, and selling a few books.</p>
<p>Steve Blackwell</p>
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		<title>Brian McLaren is No Friend of Israel</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being a Christian in today&#8217;s world is not a popular thing to be, at least if you are a Christian who loves Israel. There are those other &#8220;Christians&#8221; who test God with their hate speech, and align themselves with those worldlings who hate Israel. They can call themselves Christian if they want, it is still [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Brians-religious-theory.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-694" title="Brians religious theory" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Brians-religious-theory-300x195.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="195" /></a>Being a Christian in today&#8217;s world is not a popular thing to be, at least if you are a Christian who loves Israel. There are those other &#8220;Christians&#8221; who test God with their hate speech, and align themselves with those worldlings who hate Israel. They can call themselves Christian if they want, it is still a free country. But, just because you call yourself a Christian doesn&#8217;t make it so. One of the signs of a false Christian (or at least a sign of ignorance) is their attitude towards God&#8217;s chosen people, the Israelites. Here are a few of the Scripture references Christians should think about when attacking Israel: Deut 30:1-6, 32:9,10; Jer 31:10, 12:14; Isa 11:11,12, 40:1,2; Zech 2:8.</p>
<p>Brian McLaren is so bold to indulge God&#8217;s patience and to presume upon His mercy as he maligns the &#8220;apple of His eye&#8221; Zech 2:8 <em>&#8220;For thus saith the Lord of hosts: After the glory he hath sent me to the nations that have robbed you: for he that toucheth you, toucheth the apple of my eye:&#8221;<br />
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<p>Brian praises <a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/greg-barrett-tells-the-inconveni.html">Greg Barrett</a> for stomping on Israel, and is then encouraged to write a series of supporting articles on the same subject, so stay tuned.</p>
<blockquote><p>Greg Barrett tells the inconvenient truth &#8230; on Israel and Palestine</p></blockquote>
<p>Brian McLaren&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m working on an important series of posts on the subject &#8230; hopefully they&#8217;ll be ready to share in the next week or two.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Tony Jones Dis-likes Labels</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tony Jones doesn’t like labels. He says he would rather think of his Christianity as “emergence” and not “Emergent.” There is only one Christianity and it ain’t emergence or Emergent, neither is it Pentecostal, Baptist, Lutheran, or any other sect. Following Christ is to be a Christian, and for the most part they all have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/strychnine1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-684" title="strychnine1" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/strychnine1-300x180.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="180" /></a>Tony Jones doesn’t like labels. He says he would rather think of his Christianity as “emergence” and not “Emergent.”</p>
<p>There is only one Christianity and it ain’t emergence or Emergent, neither is it Pentecostal, Baptist, Lutheran, or any other sect. Following Christ is to be a Christian, and for the most part they all have it wrong, but their “labels” at least lets us know what to expect from them. With out labels it is very hard to nail anything down, everything becomes silly putty in their hands. They can believe one thing one day and the opposite the next day, or nothing at all, or both, it is the freedom of an anarchist, both lawless and rebellious.<br />
Tony doesn’t like labels because he says,<br />
<blockquote><a href="https://www.google.com/reader/view/?tab=my#stream/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2Ftonyj%2FIWxO">“they seem to us <em>(emergence types)</em> convenient ways of boxing someone in. . . .” </a></p></blockquote>
<p>when he would much rather be a moving target. This statement is just smoke or camouflage. Liars, cheats, and scoundrels hate labels because they identify who and what they are. Sit at a poker table in Vegas and try and identify the pros. Those professionals hate labels too. They want to look like tourist; they look harmless and innocent, but they are wolves, there to separate you from your bankroll. Hang a label on these pros and the table will empty; at least the smart ones would leave. The first rule of poker is that you never play against someone better than you. But, most people think that the game is just a matter of luck anyway, much like religion. They never pay attention to the “tells” that identify or label a person as a shark or a false teacher, who are both classified as wolves.</p>
<p>Do you see how “labels” can be counter productive to vandals who want to separate you from your valuables? Labels identify people and things, and keep us safe in the world. Thieves, cheats, marketers, card sharks, and false teachers and preachers know this. Subterfuge, misrepresentation, deception, pretense, and dramatics are all the tools of those who fear exposure and labels. At the poker table the pro will likely advertise his stupidity and ineptitude by playing fast and loose, and present themselves as something they’re not. He&#8217;ll look like a sap to the vacationer who thinks he’ll be an easy touch. Then the truth comes, when it is too late, and the pro has that monster hand he was waiting for, and the real “sucker” is revealed. This is called “advertising” in the world of poker, and is used with great effect. Marketers advertise also and generally try and trick you into believing something about their product that isn’t true: cars, clothes, cologne, alcohol, you name it, they are nearly all deceptions, lies, and illusions. They allow you to think that there is value where none exist. Your identifying of these lies would permit you to stick a “label” on them and classify their tactics as dangerous and deceptive.</p>
<p>What that poker player is saying by his not saying anything and putting on a show, by his dress and by his actions, is that <em>“you need not worry about me, I am harmless, just relax and have some fun, and please don’t <strong>label</strong> me.”</em>  I believe Tony Jones is saying much the same thing by presenting labels as a bad thing. He says that labels box people in, and I say they protect people. He cannot live by his own philosophy. Does Tony label people? Isn’t Pentecostal a label? Do labels inform us and protect us? Would Tony take a bottle from his medicine cabinet without consulting the “label?” Would anyone? Did Jesus label people and things? Jesus said <em>“Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees…. How is it that ye do not understand that I spake not to you concerning bread…? Then understood they how that he bade [them] not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”</em> Mt 16:6,11-12 Was Jesus putting these teachers in a box? Did He label them? You bet He did, and for our good, for our protection. He identified the threat and stuck a label on it, and expects us to heed the danger.</p>
<p>People who have nothing to hide do not fear labels.  Labels are markers and road signs and warnings, to direct the wayfaring man or woman to safety.</p>
<p>Beware of the smoke and slight of hand of the religious magicians, for they will cheat you out of much more than money, they will steal your very soul, and will leave you only this world in which to take refuge.</p>
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		<title>Tony Jones Un-defines &#8220;Liberal&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tony Jones, in his March 6th addition to his blog, Society for Pentecostal Studies Paper: Definitions, says he is not a liberal, which is interesting, considering the fact that he is not only liberal, but he is very liberal. Tony is so liberal that he thinks he may be conservative, or that he is neither [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Labels.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-669" title="Labels: Poison" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Labels-300x240.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="240" /></a>Tony Jones, in his March 6th addition to his blog, <a href="http://blog.tonyj.net/2010/03/society-for-pentecostal-studies-paper-definitions/">Society for Pentecostal Studies Paper: Definitions</a>, says he is not a liberal, which is interesting, considering the fact that he is not only liberal, but he is very liberal. Tony is so liberal that he thinks he may be conservative, or that he is neither liberal or conservative (kinda like the guy who is so far behind that he thinks he is in first place). Like most liberals it is important that they try and convince others, or appear to others, as non-liberal, or conservative, then escape into the fog of <em>liberal-speak</em> where their tracks are hard to follow.</p>
<p>Tony says at the beginning of that article, “Getting one’s arms around the emergent church is no mean feat. . . .” I think this could be interpreted as</p>
<blockquote><p>“there’s no way to understand what we’re doing, so don’t try.”</p></blockquote>
<p>A liberal is more magician than theologian, and their slight of hand can make truth disappear in a flash and reappear as something else all together different. Only another of their dark trade, or the Berean sort, really knows that a heist has taken place; others stand in awe that what they have always wanted their Christianity to be anyway, has magically appeared out of thin air.</p>
<blockquote><p>There was a “disenfranchisement of GenX evangelicals in the 1990s”</p></blockquote>
<p>as Tony rightly states, but actually the disenfranchisement started earlier than that, it was really a phenomena of the Boomers. In the sixties there was great disrespect and questioning of anything that presented itself with an air of truth, or established order, and thus occurred the legendary  “generation gap”. The Gen X’ers like their mothers and fathers before them, were able to detect the lies and falsehood of their predecessors, but were unable to discover the truth that had been trampled under foot, and consequently they reached out to the magicians to work their magic, and make all the bad stuff go away. It didn’t work then and it is not working now.  The false teaching of sex, drugs, and revolution that the Boomers turned to for answers is no different than the false teachers (liberals) that the disenfranchised Gen X’ers are turning to today. Granted, the established Christian order that exist today and in the ‘90&#8242;s is full of hypocrisies and pretense, but at least there is a foundation of truth that underlies the rubble and junk hiding the heart of what Jesus means in His Word.</p>
<p>Tony Jones, Brian McLaren, and all their liberal buddies, are akin to those who raise the price of medicine when a shortage hits, or try to pass off  placebos for the real thing as a psychological pacifier. There is a crisis in the “Truth” department today, but the price that most are willing to pay for the fake is far higher than they will be able to endure. A “half truth” whether it comes from the left or the right is still a lie. There is a desperate shortage of truth today, and it is likened to a famine in the book of Amos 8:11 </p>
<blockquote><p>“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD.” </p></blockquote>
<p>We are in the midst of that famine and real food is in short supply. Where there is a shortage, of any kind, there will be those who will take advantage of, and rob, the weak and the ignorant.</p>
<p>Like the sixties, the young were the weak and the ignorant. They wanted change so badly that drugs and sex were the natural answer, and even if it didn’t work, at least it felt good. Tony Jones, Brian McLaren, and a whole score of new liberals have devised an answer from the old corn husk of liberal theology, that look appealing during a famine, but could not nourish a pig when the truth thrived in its heyday. But, today the old hucksters are back at it, and they have a hungry following. The appeal to the young, to have truth their way, is too much for the starving to resist, and we will yet see the results of such a choice made in desperation.</p>
<p>More on this subject next week. . . .</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit.&#8221; Judges 17:6 The Book of Judges, in my opinion, is the saddest book of the Bible.  It show what happens to a nation when they lose their way. The book illustrates that every path, is not the right path, just because we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><a href="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Dangerous-dog_sign.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-662" title="Dangerous dog_sign" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Dangerous-dog_sign-297x300.jpg" alt="" width="297" height="300" /></a>&#8220;In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit.&#8221;</em> <strong>Judges 17:6</strong></p>
<p>The Book of Judges, in my opinion, is the saddest book of the Bible.  It show what happens to a nation when they lose their way. The book illustrates that every path, is not the right path, just because we call ourselves Followers of God or Christ. There are many <strong>imagined</strong> ways to God, but only one path is the right path. These are days of darkness and not light; days of confusion and not understanding. We are reliving the Book of Judges, following our own imaginations of what God requires, and missing the mark by a million miles.</p>
<p>Brian McLaren is leading the charge into this new eclectic Christian wonderland. With every book and video, or speaking engagement, more boldness is shown, and more people are mesmerized, with the thoughts of having <strong>their own</strong> &#8220;form&#8221; of the Christian religion.  By following Brian&#8217;s heresy they are cutting wide avenues into the un-saving grace of liberal theology, a land of no return, for most, who venture there.</p>
<p>Tim Challies has read Brian&#8217;s new book and given a telling review of what is to be found there. If you are so inclined to purchase Brian&#8217;s book, at least see what others have to say.  In this age of <em>&#8220;everyone doing what is right in his own eyes,&#8221;</em> be very cautious of where you trod, dangers lurk in places you would never expect to find it, and many are swept away by the Serpent&#8217;s tongue, and pen.</p>
<p>Follow the link below to read Tim&#8217;s review.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.challies.com/archives/book-reviews/a-new-kind-of-christianity.php">http://www.challies.com/archives/book-reviews/a-new-kind-of-christianity.php</a></p>
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		<title>Brian McLaren Imagines He Knows Jesus</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian McLaren thinks he know Jesus, but it is just his imagination. As a matter of fact Brian loves to imagine that he understands Scripture, but again it is only his imagination. Brian, in his imagination thinks he can manipulate God’s Word as if it were silly putty.  God’s Word, in the hands of Brian [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Imagination-Kit1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-653" title="Brian's Imagination Kit" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Imagination-Kit1-239x300.jpg" alt="" width="239" height="300" /></a>Brian McLaren thinks he know Jesus, but it is just his imagination. As a matter of fact Brian loves to imagine that he understands Scripture, but again it is only his imagination. Brian, in his imagination thinks he can manipulate God’s Word as if it were silly putty.  God’s Word, in the hands of Brian McLaren, can become whatever he wants it to become. Let me illustrate. Below, Brian puts words into the mouth of Jesus, that Jesus would never have spoken. He models Jesus as a liberal theologian by twisting His words into the words of a mere man. Brian McLaren is dangerous, and no friend of Jesus. Brian McLaren’s father is Satan, the saint of silly putty.</p>
<div style="text-align: center;"><strong><strong>A Fantasy of Brian McLaren</strong><br />
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<div>One evening, Jesus went on the Chris Matthews show and a large audience was viewing.</p>
<p>As he sat down for the interview, Chris introduced a group of religious right leaders. They brought with them a man caught violating the don’t-ask-don’t-tell policy in the military.</p>
<p>They made him stand before the camera and said to Jesus, “This man was caught admitting that he was gay. The Law of Moses commanded us to stone such men, and military law demands that he be court-martialed. We don’t want to kill this man: all we are interested in doing is passing a law that would criminalize such behavior in the military and in all of society. What do you say? Do you support our pro-family agenda?”</p>
<p>Jesus leaned over and wrote on the desk with his finger.</p>
<p>The Family Research Council representative pressed harder, “Don’t you agree that we should outlaw gay behavior? Don’t you agree that the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas which overturned the sodomy laws in this country was wrongly decided? Would you dare to deny that there is a place for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior?” Jesus kept writing on the desk and didn’t respond.</p>
<p>Finally, Chris Matthews said, “Well, Sir, what do you say? They’ve asked you a question. How do you respond?”</p>
<p>Jesus sat up straight, looked directly into the camera, and said, “Just one thing. Let the one among you who is without sin cast the first vote against this man.”</p>
<p>Even if you agree with the Family Research Council on the issue of homosexuality, and even if you’re worried about slippery slopes when it comes to human sexuality, I think you’ll agree: there’s another slippery slope that’s equally easy to slide down, and that’s the slide into the kind of Pharisaical religiosity that attempts to make people behave “morally” through the threat of exclusion, intimidation and legislation.</p>
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<p>Whoa!! Steady Nell, whoa there! Whoa! Brian McLaren has just shown his cards to the whole table, and by deliberately putting this lie into the mouth of Jesus shows to the whole world that his agenda, his measly little manmade plan, is more important than getting Jesus’ words correct, is more important than honoring Jesus’ truth about sinful living. Brian is attempting to force Jesus to conform to his own gospel; what a perversion!.</p>
<p>In this little bit of stagecraft Brian makes Jesus agree with him, that the sin of homosexuality is O.K., when Jesus doesn’t even come close. The sad thing is that Brian knows exactly what he is doing, and intentionally puts a lie into the mouth of Jesus. This is not only a perversion it is heresy. In this story, it is not so much what Brian adds to it, while he twist it out of context, but rather what he leaves out completely, the instructions Jesus gives the sinner; what he leaves unsaid, is more important than what he does say. Brian would lead his little lambs to believe that Jesus would have condoned the sin of adultery in the woman who was brought to Him by the Pharisees in John 8:10,11, by leaving out these important word of our Savior, <em>“When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">go, and sin no more..</span></strong>”</em></p>
<p>By leaving off these very important words, who is Brian copying, Jesus? No, Brian is not copying Jesus, he is copying Satan the Deceiver, the Liar. This is the same tactic used against Eve in the Garden, and it is no different here. It was meant to deceive then, and it is meant to deceive now, and always. The Liberals have perfected this piece of theater; it is literally, as old as the hills, but it still works against those in darkness.</p>
<p>Would Jesus really have left off these important words if the person before Him would have been a Gay person instead of an adulterous woman? We both know He would not have just said, “I forgive you, now go on about your sinful ways.” Jesus’ demands on all of our lives is to “go and sin no more.” We are never admonished to remain where we are, but to move ever closer to Him, and away from our perversions and sins.</p>
<p>We can not pander to sin. Where is righteousness and holiness? Not in the camp of the Liberal theologians.</p>
<p>Thank you Brian McLaren for tipping your hand once again.</p>
<p>Steve Blackwell</p>
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		<title>Interview With Doug Pagitt of the Emergent Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over at CALL TO DISCERNMENT I came across the following YouTube  of Todd Friel interviewing Doug Padgitt of the Emerging Church. If it wasn&#8217;t so sad it would be hilarious. How can those guys really believe the things they preach. Watch the video and have a good laugh or cry or whatever. www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVnPvXqdmNg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over at <a href="http://calltodiscernment.blogspot.com/2009/12/new-bible-by-and-for-heretics.html" target="_blank">CALL TO DISCERNMENT </a>I came across the following YouTube  of Todd Friel interviewing Doug Padgitt of the Emerging Church. If it wasn&#8217;t so sad it would be hilarious. How can those guys really believe the things they preach. Watch the video and have a good laugh or cry or whatever.</p>
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		<title>The World is About to Change Again, and Still No Repentance</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is all kinds of talk about &#8220;justice&#8221; these days: social justice, economic justice, and climate justice. These are all code words of this world to mean, as they have always meant to social engeneers who fashion themselves as the saviors of Planet Earth, oneness, ecumenicism, unity, harmony, one world government, Socialism, and Communism. The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-546" title="engineers for world change" src="http://www.indywatchman.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/engineers-246x300.jpg" alt="engineers for world change" width="246" height="300" />There is all kinds of talk about &#8220;justice&#8221; these days: social justice, economic justice, and climate justice. These are all code words of this world to mean, as they have always meant to social engeneers who fashion themselves as the saviors of Planet Earth, oneness, ecumenicism, unity, harmony, one world government, Socialism, and Communism.</p>
<p>The Church is now on-board with the world in all these endeavors.  Granted, it has always been on-board in a limited capacity.  Communist, Socialist, and Marxist everywhere have always preached this message, but everyone knew they were Atheist, so they could only make limited inroads into the Church body through Liberal Theology.  Today the doors to the Sanctuary are wide open and everything unclean is welcome, thanks to men like <a href="http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm">Saul Alinsky</a>, who understood that the Church had to be infiltrated by men who only appear to support Biblical doctrine while all the time having solid agendas supporting the Socialist, Communist, Marxist, and Liberal Theology goals of self-interest, in the name of &#8220;justice.&#8221;</p>
<p>How have Christians been deceived? Because they were lazy, and looked to other men to protect their &#8220;self-interest.&#8221; They refused to repent of their selfish pride, and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the Creator, and they still will not repent, even now that the deception is obvious and in the open. God said that He would,<em> &#8220;send strong delusion that they would believe the LIE.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Yes, there is injustice, in every aspect of life on this planet. But, the answer is not an engineering issue. The answer is not to gather smart men to design programs, or write manifestos, or build organizations, or form initiatives, or pass laws, or plant more churches, or to bring all of mankind under a one-world government.  The answer is simple, it is to repent and turn to God. It was the first answer, and it is the last.</p>
<p>Where has all the man-made answers led us? It has led us to the appointment of a President who will use his own power and pride, to once more try and engineer a solution, and go beyond every other President, using methods made in Hell, to save a kingdom whose Prince is Lucifer.</p>
<p>The clock is quickly running down and the question is still, will you repent? or will you blindly follow the World in its quest for Climate Justice?</p>
<p>COP15 UN Climate Change Conference, Copenhagen</p>
<p>I know it sounds crazy and you may not believe it, but everyone should see the following video of Lord Christopher Monckton, a notable climate expert, and<strong> his warning</strong> to the world about this proposed treaty.</p>
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<p>The Copenhagen climate negotiations beginning Monday must yield an ambitious, sweeping agreement to capitalize on pledges by countries to fight global warming, UN climate chief Yvo de Boer said on Sunday.</p>
<p>The White House announced Saturday that President Barack Obama is shifting the timing of his visit to the climate conference in Copenhagen as prospects for a political agreement at the event seem more likely.</p>
<p>Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen promptly welcomed the US President&#8217;s decision. In a statement issued Saturday, Løkke said Obama&#8217;s attendance was &#8220;an expression of the growing political momentum toward sealing an ambitious climate deal in Copenhagen&#8221;. AP/Michael von Bülow <em>05/12/2009 </em></p>
<p><em>We can not create a better world, only God can do that, our job is to REPENT.<br />
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		<title>Doug Pagitt&#8217;s New Book: A Christianity Worth Believing &#8211; NOT Worth Believing!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lighthouse Trails give us a &#8220;Heads-up&#8221; as they present this review by Ezra McGill on Doug Pagitt&#8217;s new book.  Please take the time to read this and then pass it along. The original article can be viewed by clicking on this link. Steve Blackwell oug Pagitt&#8217;s New Book: A Christianity Worth Believing &#8211; NOT Worth [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"><strong></strong></span>Lighthouse Trails give us a &#8220;Heads-up&#8221; as they present this review by Ezra McGill on Doug Pagitt&#8217;s new book.  Please take the time to read this and then pass it along. <a href="http://campaign.constantcontact.com/render?v=0015qcJ7P_42YgCfYDQ4QSKHkdmCTR_aMh4pqT8NiWi4aOljwq5AhGmoKpf9XU0914ttgRzKgPaJEkfS5ko2mSjjHYL3ZhXlh352ctlgj0jagpewWvRUijFP1U83ravIB487utIeveNhT4%3D">The original article can be viewed by clicking on this link.</a></p>
<p>Steve Blackwell</p>
<p><span style="color: #ffffff; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"><strong>oug Pagitt&#8217;s New Book: <em>A Christianity Worth Believing</em> &#8211; NOT Worth Believing!</strong></span> <span style="color: #333333; font-family: Garamond,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: small;"> </span> <span style="color: #333333; font-family: Garamond,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br />
<img src="http://www.precipicemagazine.com/images/a-christianity-worth-believing.jpg" border="0" alt="A Christianity Worth Believing by Doug Pagitt" hspace="10" vspace="10" align="left" /><strong>by Ezra McGill<br />
Free-lance writer</strong></p>
<p>In his book, <em>A Christianity Worth Believing</em>, emergent leader Doug Pagitt presents a theology that is worth exposing, because it is neither biblical nor Christian. This is the unfortunate power of media-savvy emergent leaders&#8211;errant theology is couched in Christian terms, and the undiscerning are drawn in.</p>
<p>As others have noted, Doug Pagitt undoubtedly cares about his flock, the homeless, coffee farmers in Guatemala, and the environment. Yet, if the emergent movement could be summed up in one phrase, perhaps it is this: &#8220;Tiny men shaking tiny fists at the biblical God.&#8221;<br />
The Bible tells us, &#8220;The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.(Psalm 2: 2-4)</p>
<p>The author of <em>A Christianity Worth Believing </em>vigorously disputes the authority of Sola Scriptura&#8211;the Word of God. He writes, &#8220;The inerrancy debate is based on the belief that the Bible is the word of God, that the Bible is true because God made it and gave it to us as a guide to truth. But that&#8217;s not what the Bible says&#8221; (p. 65).</p>
<p>He further explains, &#8220;This is how it works. We are characters in the stories we hear. The living Bible invites us to step into the stories, not as observers, but as participants in the faith that is alive and well and still being created&#8221; (p.67).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right. The author believes Christianity is still in the process of being created. Obviously, this theology that is being created is in total opposition to biblical Truth. Like the author of The Shack, Pagitt categorically denies the substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>He states, &#8220;the early evangelists recognized they could help the Jesus story make sense if Jesus was seen as someone who was chosen to appease the wrath of God&#8211;hence, the &#8216;anointed one&#8217; who could do what no one else could do&#8221; (p. 181).</p>
<p>So, minus our Savior, how does this emergent leader view receiving forgiveness for sins? Before we get to this, let us understand that he spends a good deal of time making the artificial distinction between Christians&#8217; alleged Greco-Roman understanding of God (Pagitt sees this as a distant God), and the Old Testament Hebrew God (always present, understanding, and intimate).</p>
<p>Incredibly, the author presents the Old Testament as his &#8220;proof&#8221; that there has always been accessible forgiveness for sin. He notes that his wife was raised in a Jewish family, and she &#8220;tells [the congregation] each year that the Jews would celebrate the Day of Atonement by gathering lint from their pockets, every little corner of them. She invites us to do the same. Then we write confessions on pieces of paper or pick up leaves to represent each sin and walk to the edge of a stream. As we drop our leaves and papers into the stream, we read from the Psalms&#8221; (pp.163-164).</p>
<p>Psalm 103:11-13 is then read to Pagitt&#8217;s congregation: &#8220;For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Following this, he writes, his wife, &#8220;reminds us that just as the water carries our words away, God takes our sins from us. As far as can be, sin is removed, taken, gone. Yes, sin exists, and when we find it, we should get rid of it&#8221; (p. 164).</p>
<p>But what defines &#8220;sin&#8221; if the Bible is not really the authoritative Word of God? If Christ is not Savior? Pagitt never really gives a satisfactory answer to this.</p>
<p>&#8220;Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment&#8221;(Lamentations 2:14). Pagitt assures us he understands this new theology can be upsetting. &#8220;This can come as a shock to those Christians who are so used to hearing that Jesus is the solution to sin that they assume that the remedy started with the death of Jesus. The Jewish Tradition tells us otherwise&#8221; (p. 163).</p>
<p><em>A Christianity Worth Believing</em> is the presentation of a distorted version of our faith. It is the tepid celebration of a powerless, false &#8220;christ.&#8221; It is textbook emergent heresy. Those reading this book who do know and love Christ may feel disgust, disbelief, even scorn. Well and good. But may we also be very afraid for those who are exposed to such teaching.</p>
<p>&#8220;But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned&#8221; (1 Corinthians 2:14).</p>
<p>One gets the sense that Doug Pagitt seems compelled to deny the Truth&#8211;he simply cannot see it. He is the angry blind man striking out with his cane. He swings, he slashes; he jabs and stabs. Unfortunately, that sharpened cane has poked out many an eye.<br />
And seems poised to pierce many, many more.</p>
<p>&#8220;And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?&#8217;&#8221; (Luke 6:39)</p>
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